On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 09:31:40PM +0100, Michael Tautschnig wrote: > > > strace > > > mtr-tiny
> > I think these are useful troubleshooting tools that we ought to install by > > default. mtr-tiny is the only traceroute tool included in standard > > currently. > > For comparison, both of these packages are part of the Ubuntu standard > > system. > > I think we ought to even consider adding gdb in addition to strace, size > > allowing, since these two tools are rather complementary in their use; but > > certainly, I'd prefer having strace over not having either. > Is "standard" in some sense also targeted at those who do lots of stuff > other than hacking with their computer systems? mtr-tiny is not a "hacking" tool any more than "ping" or "whois" is. Actually, I misspoke in saying that mtr-tiny is the only traceroute we have by default. iputils-traceroute is also installed at Priority: important; but iputils-traceroute is far less useful on modern networks than mtr-tiny is. If traceroute belongs in important, then mtr belongs in standard. > If so, I doubt that the the output of strace will be very useful to those, The same argument easily applies to the output of 'dig', which is included in dnsutils at Priority: standard. Nevertheless, having it available by default is useful for troubleshooting purposes when a problem has been escalated to the corresponding "support" personnel (via a Debian bug report, by handing your computer to your local expert, or whatever). -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developer http://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
