On Mon, 2008-01-14 at 09:43 +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: > Le Sat, Jan 12, 2008 at 07:34:21PM +0000, Peter Clifton a écrit : > > > > In gEDA, the .desktop files list "Electronics" and "Engineering" (both > > of which are sub-categories), and without an additional XML file > > describing a new menu, these applications will appear under "Others" > > under gnome, or lost+found under KDE. > > Dear Peter, > > Do you know how many .desktop files in Debian use the categories > Electronics or Engineering? If there are not enough to nicely populate a > menu, it may be better to patch them to relocate them somewhere else.
I currently have six installed, but there are more out there. (There are also more packages which _should_ use this category, but don't.. on account of it not being in the menu hierarchy. Since there are no other categories in the XDG spec which fit, this is really why the problem occurs: "Every conforming desktop environment MUST support" (XDG menu-spec) AudioVideo : NO Audio : NO Video : NO Development (really meaning "programming") : NO Education : NO Game : NO Graphics : NO Network : NO Office : NO Settings : NO System : NO Utility (Small utility application, "Accessories") : NO Clearly the people who wrote the XDG menu spec didn't consider any technical applications: Hydrology GIS (Geographic Information system) Mathematics, e.g. Matlab / Octave (if it had a GUI) / others Mechanical CAD packages Structural analysis Electrical CAD, IC Design etc.. Circuit simulation Also: Hamradio, Knitting, Cave surveying, <insert hobby here> Physics, Chemistry, <insert science here> Medical imaging, Radar, <insert specialist topic here> It is not so likely any one given user will have applications installed which fit into all extra categories, they might have one or two. Noting the above main categories are listed as "MUST support" seems to imply the intention that additional categories (e.g. from the additonal categories list) could be supported by distributions / desktops. Suggesting that any of these should be shoe-horned into the nearest XDG main category or risk not appearing in any menu is only going to cause the XDG system to be further inefficient in meeting users needs. For gEDA, we violate the menu spec and do not list a "main" category, as getting lost under "Other" seems preferable to any of the above categories. > If there are enough, there is a third way of having an optional menu: > the Custom Debian Distribution. In the Debian-Med CDD, we have an extra > "Med" menu, and which user gets it is configured through debconf. I don't think it is advisable to require installing a customised distribution just for a particular task. I happen to use (ok, GNU/)Linux for everyday computing, and believe the way forward is using special-interest meta-packages which could pull in a suite of useful tools for a particular topic. We do produce and give students use a customised Knoppix Live CD with Engineering applications on at University, but for every day Linux users, this is actually a step backwards. -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!)
