Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Le mercredi 25 juillet 2007 à 16:17 -0400, Marvin Renich a écrit : >> My original message was specifically concerned with graphical apps. I'm >> not sure which console apps should be displayed; for the most part, I >> think the Debian maintainer should decide whether it deserves to be >> displayed by default. > > I still disagree. The policy should enforce detailed tagging that allows > window managers and menu systems maintainers to filter out entries they > don't want to display.
ACK >> Window managers *definitely* should be displayed. If I went to the >> trouble of installing sawfish in addition to metacity, I would like to >> be able to use both. Yes, from the menu. > > Sorry, but the menu is not a holdall where we put all functionality that > we don't know where to put without thinking a few minutes. > > A window manager choice has nothing to do in an application menu, as it > is not an application. This is a matter for a configuration tool, > whatever form it takes. The Debian menu has more Categories than just applications. In particular, it has a category for window managers. If you desktop environment guys want to go a different way and hide this category (and instead allow for window manager switching somewhere else, like some control center) that's fine. But that doesn't say that window managers shouldn't have a menu file, or .desktop if that is going to be its successor. >> > Why shouldn't we attempt to make menus usable? >> >> I didn't say we should not make them usable, I said we should not try to >> make them more usable *by reducing access to less frequently used apps*. > > As things are, even with the best possible menu system one can imagine, > you won't manage to make a menu with 500 entries as usable as one with > 100. Could you give guidelines how a maintainer of an application should classify their app, and how Gnome would decide which classes to hide? >> > Guess what, toolbars are not used by a good share of users. > >> Also, my experience is that a good share of less-technically-oriented- >> but-comfortable-using-a-computer users actually do use toolbars. > > These affirmations are not contradictory. I don't deny that many users > make use of their toolbar, but I think we should keep the menu usable > for users who don't. I don't use a toolbar, but for me "usable" means that everything is there... Regards, Frank -- Frank Küster Single Molecule Spectroscopy, Protein Folding @ Inst. f. Biochemie, Univ. Zürich Debian Developer (teTeX/TeXLive)
