It has come to my attention that this last email could have been construed as a personal attack against a certain ubuntu developer. It is not meant that way.
What I don't seem to have put across properly are the following points. 1) the blog post mentioned that made me irate was because of the way It was worded andhow i read it at the time. I didnt read this properly the first time round - and the opinion is expressed about what I thought the person was trying to put across. After re-reading the article - I changed my mind (but would still have been irate if the post had been what I first thought it was) 2) I am not lumping all Ubuntu Devs into one boat - nor all Debian Devs - I'm jsut saying that I think it's the few people out of the large who arent willing to cooperate for whatever reason that are causing this tension. Martin Meredith wrote: > Ok - I'm going to reply to the first post i found on this whole - thing, so > apologies if it shows up > in some weird place in threaded view. > > Basically the way I see it isnt the fact that ubuntu isn't giving back to > debian - or debian isn't > willing to have the stuff from ubuntu. The way i see it is that there are a > few people - who - for > some reason or another - just don't do the right thing. > > I can definately understand some DD's views here - they seem to get nothing > from ubuntu - have to > wade through patches or whatever to try and find the useful stuff - have to > do all this work to get > all the stuff from ubuntu, because whatever ubuntu dev is doing things isn't > contributing back to > debian. This definately happens. There's no doubt about it. > > But, also - and I've had this experience myself - there are some DD's who > just plain and simple dont > want the stuff from ubuntu. I've had a couple of times where I've had an > issue with a package - and > realised it was a problem in debian and upstream too. Usually - I've > contacted both upstream and the > DD via Email about this - and have had various responses - for example, for > one package - I sent > about 7 emails over the space of a month, emailed upstream, tried to contact > the DD on IRC - many a > thing - but well - no response - and I've tried a couple of times with > different issues to contact > that developer regarding those issues - but have never had any > awknowledgement, reply etc etc. > > I eventually gave up trying contacting that maintainer - and just carried on > with the work in ubuntu > - and worked with upstream. It's people like that that are spoiling it, as > I've had experiences with > other DD's who've been very helpful indeed. > > Recently, a certain member of the MOTU team in ubuntu posted a blog post > basically saying (from the > way it came across to me) that contributing back up to debian was a waste of > our meagre resources. I > can't express how ... and this is a very mild way of me putting it (Code of > Conduct and all - darn > it!)... annoyed that made me - I was infuriated, espescially seeing as I'd > been one of those people > who'd raised the issue of contributing back to debian. > > I, personally - see contributing to debian as a vital part of the ubuntu > development process - after > all - debian is our upstream - and I'm sure none of the DD's would think that > contributing to > upstream for the packages they maintain is a waste of the time that they > could be putting back into > debian. > > To me though - and i will stress this highly - I don't think that it's a fact > that ubuntu isnt > contributing to debian - because it is. But I believe that some people (maybe > a lot of people) for > whatever issue aren't willing to work either way - as Ubuntu can't do all the > work - and nor can > debian - but - when one side isnt willing to work (I'm not on about projects > as a whole - I'm on > about individual people/maintainers) then it spoils the whole thing. > > Basically - I dont think the brand should be put on ubuntu as a whole - feel > free to target those > people specifically you see not contributing - but remember - it's a two way > thing - and there are > people not willing to cooperate on both sides. > > *dons asbestos underwear and waits for replies* > > > > > Manoj Srivastava wrote: > >>On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 15:19:42 -0500, Frans Jessop >><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >> >> >> >>>Ubuntu's launchpad is amazing. Do you think it would be helpful if >>>all DD's worked through it on their projects? >> >> >> Sure, as long as they change lauchpad to meet my workflow >> requirements. This would mean letting me have a local repo, signed >> remote repos, arch, email only interfaces, and not getting into my >> way. If they make changes to meet these requirements, I'll have >> absolutely no problem throwing away tools I have worked on honing for >> a decade or so and switching to launchpad. Oh, and release launchpad >> under a free license, of course, so I don't make Debian development >> rely on a non-free toolset, of course. >> >> >> >>>Wouldn't that keep things more organized and efficient? Or perhaps >>>Debian could build its own version of launchpad which is better. >>>Again, I think it would do a good job keeping everything organized >>>an efficient. >> >> >> Yup. Having all humans speak just a single language (and none >> of these darned wide charset junk) would be way more efficient too. >> And just have one model of a car -- I mean, who needs all these >> different companies, so much inefficiency. >> >> BTW, thanks for the laugh. >> >> manoj > > > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
