On Sun, Jan 08, 2006 at 11:44:57AM +0100, Stephan Hermann wrote: > On Sunday 08 January 2006 10:39, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > On Sun, Jan 08, 2006 at 07:49:33PM +1100, Matthew Palmer wrote: > > > On Sun, Jan 08, 2006 at 09:02:09AM +0100, Stephan Hermann wrote: > > > > On Sunday 08 January 2006 07:27, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > > > > On Fri, Jan 06, 2006 at 03:19:42PM -0500, Frans Jessop wrote: > > > > > > Ubuntu's launchpad is amazing. Do you think it would be helpful if > > > > > > all DD's worked through it on their projects? Wouldn't that keep > > > > > > things more organized and efficient? Or perhaps Debian could build > > > > > > its own version of launchpad which is better. Again, I think it > > > > > > would do a good job keeping everything organized an efficient. > > > > > > > > > > The day when working on Debian requires the use of a web interface > > > > > will be the day that I hunt down and painfully kill the person > > > > > responsible for doing it. > > > > > > > > Luckily that the bts of Launchpad has a mailinterface..which is quite > > > > nice. So some other parts will have mailinterfaces as well, and some > > > > other goodies where someone can attach some nice cli tools. > > > > > > Which nobody except the Blessed Few (being those who have signed the NDA > > > allowing them access to the Launchpad code) can modify or enhance. > > > > And even then have uncertain chances of getting it deployed into a > > place where it's useful, and goodness knows how practical it would be > > to do this anyway - the backend limitations could be anything. > > Sure, but this applies to any software, actually the best example is the > kernel.
I can deploy anything I like to the kernel I use. I can't (on *so* many levels) deploy anything at all to the Launchpad I'm supposed to use. > > > > > Removing the ability to manage things from the shell would not be > > > > > more organised and efficient unless you're a complete fricking moron > > > > > who can't operate a unix host. Which appears to be the target > > > > > audience of launchpad. > > > > > > > > Well, I'm happy to see, that a lot of people are not thinking like you. > > > > They see launchpad as a collaborative worktool. > > > > > > Your comment doesn't follow from what Andrew said. > > > > Indeed, it appears to demonstrate a complete absence of having > > understood the paragraph it is in reply to, or perhaps even having > > read it. > > I commented this in my reply to Matthew. No, you didn't. > As I said, it's a matter of the working behaviour. I'm almost faster with the > keyboard even on UIs then with the mouse or touchpad, but it doesn't mean, > that others are fast as well. So you're willing to hamstring yourself so that others less capable can do a bit? How noble. And stupid. > People who can use the CLI are blessed, but leaving the others behind? No, > elite thinking was yesterday, today is, how we can gather more people around > a project, to work on. the more people we can gather, the faster we will > accomplish goals. Let me emphasise Manoj's citation of the Mythical Man Month. He basically calls bullshit on your entire argument, and with such style. > Therefore, a lot of people never learned the advantages of cli, and more > people don't want to learn them. Why? I don't know, and it doesn't matter. > But, even those people we have to reach with an easy to use interface, and if > this means: webapplications, so be it. It doesn't mean, that I or you have to > use it, But don't you have to use it if you want to get the collaboration benefits with the teeming masses? - Matt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
