From: "J.P.D. Kooij" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Mon, 2 Jun 1997, Bruce Perens wrote:
> We are in the process of releasing Debian 1.3 . Tonight I made another attempt to install base + 300 packages. I've added the list to the end of this message. I experienced a _major_ problem with shadow and xdm, a minor problem with bind and some dselect annoyance with installation order, which tends to break installation in a way that cycling dselect "installation" doesn't solve the dependency problems. Mostly things went quite fine though. Base install from May 28 floppies is very smooth and without any problems on my hardware (pci p133 32mb) I made a 2+Gb ext2 partition without memory problems. I did install any modules, because I rolled my own 2.0.29 kernel with some patches to get my ne2000 recognised and I just compiled everything needed in. After rebooting and entering dselect I chose nfs access method. Every time the stable/binary tree is checked by dselect it prints an (apparently harmless) error about a broken pipe. Before, I had tried to select a whole bunch of packages, but this tends to give a lot of dependency problems. So this time I first did the already selected + all important packages + all packages suggested because of dependencies - no problems. Then all standard packages + depended on packages - no problems. Then all optional packages + depends. This included x, which gave some problems: The xserver packages want to setup x, this gets stuck because xinitrc is missing because it is part of xbase - which is not installed at that point. Also, sometimes xdm does get configured properly because of similar reasons - a missing Xservers file. This time it worked though, but only because I installed more than one xserver and xbase got installed before the one I actually use. This also saved the day for xsetup, so in fact I did get x running in one dselect run. Had to rerun dselect anyway because of the unconfigured xserver-vga16 etc. On the point of xsetup: I found that things hang really badly if I run xvidtune from xsetup. Maybe that is not so bad actually because it is quite a dangerous program to your monitor - I once found out. Apart from x, there were no obvious problems with the otional packages. I wound up in a catch-22 with some of the extra packages: - ghostview and gv both depend on gs. However, package gs-alladin which provides gs never gets installed because dselect tries to: gs-alladin is in non-free, which is never parsed because gv/ghostview doesn't install because there's no gs. Repeating the installation step doesn't solve this. - the problem with dselect not trying a section because there was an error in a previous section returns with pinepgp from contrib not installing because it depends on pine and pgp, in non-free resp. local. Here too, repeating the process doesn't solve the problem. This behaviour of dselect should be anticipated on when determining the proper (pre)dependecies, or otherwise a mention of it should be added to the documentation - along with a hint of possible solutions. Repeating the installation step (the current panacea) is no solution in these cases. So this makes more or less 3 problems with installation of more than 300 packages. Quite good actually! Add to that that these problems were not really serious - very good actually! I did find a serious problem after rebooting (ok, I could probably have done this more subtle) the machine to start xdm. From reading several debian related lists I already knew that xdm will break with shadow passwords. However, I doubt if everyone who just installed debian 1.3 will realize that it is this combination that prevents him/her from logging in. The fix is very simple: ctrl-alt-F1; log in as root; shadowconfig off; return to x and log in normally. But you do have to know this.. and there is no warning when installing shadow or xdm. IMHO a _big_ warning in CAPS should be added to the installation messages or, much better, this should be fixed in frozen before a release is made. If this isn't fixed in time, then I think we can consider shadow sort of broken in 1.3. Another problem that I have seen reprorts of is the problems with bind. I let the bind upgrade touch a working setup on a 1.2 machine and it broke it. I set it up on a fresh machine and I can't even do a "nslookup localhost". Haven't had thhe time to investigate what went wrong. So far my longish report at a rather late time - hope it is still of some use. Cheers, Joost Here are the install logs: <first run> adduser install < ae install < base-files install < base-passwd install < bash install < bsdutils install < debianutils install < dialog install < diff install < dpkg install < dpkg-ftp install < e2fsprogs install < elvis-tiny install < fdflush install < fileutils install < findutils install < getty install < grep install < gzip install < hostname install < isapnptools install < kbd install < ldso install < libc5 install < libdb1 install < libgdbm1 install < libnet install < libreadline2 install < lilo install < login install < makedev install < mawk install < mbr install < modconf install < modutils install < mount install < ncurses-base install < ncurses-bin install < ncurses3.0 install < netbase install < passwd install < ppp install < procps install < sed install < setserial install < shellutils install < sysklogd install < syslinux install < sysvinit install < tar install < textutils install < timezone install < update install < util-linux install < <end of first run> <second run> at install < bc install < biff install < bin86 install < binutils install < bison install < bsdmainutils install < cpio install < cpp install < cron install < cvs install < dc install < debian-policy install < deliver install < dnsutils install < doc-debian install < doc-linux install < dpkg-dev install < ed install < electric-fence install < elm-me+ install < file install < flex install < gcc install < gdb install < gpm install < groff install < iamerican install < ibritish install < info install < ispell install < less install < libbfd2.7.0.9 install < libc5-dev install < libdb1-dev install < libelf0 install < libg++27 install < libg++27-dev install < libgdbm1-dev install < libreadline2-dev install < lsof install < m4 install < mailx install < make install < man-db install < manpages install < mh install < mime-support install < mpack install < mtools install < ncurses-term install < ncurses3.0-dev install < netstd install < nvi install < patch install < pdksh install < perl install < perl-suid install < procmail install < rcs install < sendmail install < sharutils install < strace install < tcsh install < time install < wenglish install < wg15-locale install < xlib6 install < <end of second run> <third run> a2gs install < acct install < adjtimex install < afterstep install < apache install < apache-dev install < apache-modules install < arena install < ash install < automake install < bash-builtins install < bing install < bug install < cfgtool install < cgi-scripts install < csh install < dftp install < doc-rfc install < dosfstools install < dwww install < expect install < fdutils install < fetchmail install < filerunner install < fortune-mod install < fortunes install < freefont install < fvwm-common install < fvwm2 install < fvwm95 install < gawk install < ghostview install < git install < glimpse install < gnugo install < gs-aladdin install < gsfonts install < gv install < info2www install < jargon install < kernel-package install < leave install < libc5-dbg install < libgpm1 install < libjpeg-dev install < libjpeg-progs install < libjpeg6a install < libmagick-lzw install < libmagick-lzw-dev install < libmsql1 install < libpam-dbg install < libpam-dev install < libpam-doc install < libpam-util install < libpam0 install < libpaper install < libpcap0 install < libpng1 install < libpng1-dev install < libpthread0 install < libpthread0-dev install < libpwdb-dbg install < libpwdb-dev install < libpwdb-doc install < libpwdb0 install < libtiff3 install < libtiff3-dev install < libtiff3-gif install < libtool install < lincity install < loadlin install < localebin install < lprng install < lynx install < maelstrom install < magicfilter install < man2html install < mc install < mctools-lite install < menu install < mh-papers install < mhonarc install < mimedecode install < mpage install < ncftp install < netpbm install < netpbm-dev install < nextaw install < open install < perl-debug install < pgp-i install < picasm install < pico install < pine install < pine-docs install < pine-tech-notes install < pinepgp install < postgres95-dev install < postgres95-doc install < ppd-gs install < procmail-lib install < procmeter install < pscol install < psptools install < pstotext install < psutils install < scotty install < slang0.99.34 install < slang0.99.34-dev install < spell install < spider install < svgalib1 install < svgalib1-bin install < svgalib1-dev install < sysutils install < sysvbanner install < tcl74 install < tcl76 install < tcl76-dev install < tcpdump install < tix41 install < tix41-dev install < tk40 install < tk42 install < tk42-dev install < tkdesk install < tkdiff install < tkined install < tkinfo install < visual-tcl install < weblint install < workbone install < xanim install < xaos install < xasteroids install < xaw3d install < xaw95 install < xbanner install < xbase install < xbill install < xbomb install < xcdroast install < xcolorsel install < xcontrib install < xdaliclock install < xearth install < xevil install < xext install < xfishtank install < xfnt100 install < xfnt75 install < xfntbase install < xfntbig install < xfntpex install < xfntscl install < xgalaga install < xinput install < xinvaders install < xlib6-dev install < xlockmore install < xmanpages install < xmix install < xoj install < xpat2 install < xpilot install < xpm4.7 install < xpm4.7-dev install < xproc install < xscreensaver install < xserver-s3 install < xserver-s3v install < xserver-svga install < xserver-vga16 install < xsysinfo install < xv install < zlib1 install < <end of third run> <fourth run> a2ps install < bind install < bzip install < cdda2wav install < cdwrite install < cfs install < debian-cd install < defrag install < diald install < dpkg-cross install < dunc install < file-rc install < idutch install < ksmbfs install < mgetty install < mgetty-docs install < mgetty-fax install < minicom install < mkisofs install < netdiag install < nitpic install < rman install < rsaref install < samba install < snmp install < ssh install < ssleay install < ssltelnet install < svgatextmode install < tkman install < wdutch install < <end of fourth run> -- Bruce Perens K6BP [EMAIL PROTECTED] 510-215-3502 Finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP public key. 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