On Fri, Nov 05, 2004 at 10:11:01AM -0500, Colin Walters wrote: > On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 10:28 +0000, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 04, 2004 at 11:06:06PM -0500, Colin Walters wrote: > > > On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 13:15 +0000, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > > > > > > > default: no. > > > > > > Why not on by default, > > > > i would agree with stephen that it should be compiled in, > > default options "selinux=no". > > I don't believe Stephen said that. He said that the performance hit in > that case is just the LSM hooks. oh. yes.
> > that gives people the choice, > > It doesn't make sense to make security a "choice". The current Linux > security model is simply inadequate. response 1: *shrug*. that's their choice - and their problem. response 2: you don't have to tell _me_ that - i'm the mad one who is actively working on a debian/selinux distro!!! :) response 3: _is_ it the job of debian developers to dictate the minimum acceptable security level? basically what i mean is, in gentoo, it's a no-brainer: you set options at the beginning of your build, come back [2 weeks? :) ] later and you have a system with PAX stack smashing, lovely kernel, everything hunky-dory. debian doesn't GIVE users that choice [remember the adamantix bun-fight, anyone?] and instead settles for about the lowest possible common denominator - no consideration to modern security AT ALL! > > without affecting performance. > > That's just a bug, and it's being worked on. cool. > Personally I don't notice any performance problems. maybe it's just me with my weird setup [very likely], but running mozilla under KDE 3.3.0 with selinux 2.6.8.1-selinux1 on a 256mb system P4 2.4Ghz) is a 10-11 second startup, whereas if i set selinux=0 i've seen as fast as a THREE second startup time. i've put KDE_IS_PRELINKED=1, KDE_FORK_SLAVES=1 into the /usr/bin/startkde and i've run prelink, but i have the nvidia drivers so the x-windows glx drivers are symlinks, which stops prelink from being able to do its job on them. also i recompiled kde 3.3.0 .debs with the latest gcc 3.3. so i'm not _entirely_ confident that my setup is a good example to follow (!) -- -- you don't have to BE MAD | this space | my brother wanted to join mensa, to work, but IT HELPS | for rent | for an ego trip - and get kicked you feel better! I AM | can pay cash | out for a even bigger one. --
