Of course as you already know emacs includes so many thing unrelated to editing that anyone using it has already decided they don't mind the bloat. *OT* Really is there any argument that a psychoanalysis program in an editor is not bloat? By the way emacs21 takes 50MB to install (vim takes 15MB), and yes a full KDE install takes more at around 254MB to install but it could be argued it provides more functionality. ;) Of course KDE can also be seen as bloat to people enjoying using command line tools or flipping the switches on their altair. ;) *OT* The point I was trying to make was that adding bloat for no good reason at all, in this case over a screenfull of advertising to a console util harms its usability.
Chris
