On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 04:52:46PM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote: > * Jeroen Dekkers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > Blow off the non-free software user, no. If you have nothing to offer > > > by way of help with vmware itself, then your silence will be enough to > > > indicate that. > > > > And the user will never find out why he's having that problem. I don't > > think that not telling the user the cause of the problem is helping > > him. And our priorities are free software, but we aren't allowed with > > some respects free software is better than non-free software? > > You didn't tell him why he's having that problem. You didn't tell him > the cause of the problem. The problem was not the non-free software. > The problem was that glibc was changed in a way which broke some > programs (both free and non-free) which depended on the old behaviour. > The non-free software (just like the free software) needed to be > changed, yes, but that isn't the fault of the software being non-free > any more than it is the fault of the free software being free.
<rant> I'm getting sick of people who can't read. Let's say the same thing for the next time. Maybe a lot of people on this list just need glasses, so I do it in upper case that you can easily read it: <CAPSLOCK> THE PROBLEM HE IS HAVING IS THAT VMWARE DOESN'T PROVIDE A PATCH FOR THE OLD VERSION HE IS USING. WITH FREE SOFTWARE, HE COULD JUST FIX THE PROBLEM ITSELF, WITH NON-FREE SOFTWARE THAT IS IMPOSSIBLE. THE CAUSE OF HIS PROBLEM IS THUS THAT HE DOESN'T HAVE THE FREEDOM TO MODIFY THE SOFTWARE. </capslock> Is it clear now? The damn fucking problem on this list is that nobody actually reads but just starts flaming because some part of the message they just don't like or whatever. Maybe that's the reason why a lot of debian developers aren't subscribed to this list. #debian-devel isn't anything better (I know it's not an official Debian communication medium, but we already lost a few DDs because of the hostility there), just some random quote which occured not so long time ago (I removed the nicknames so we don't get any personal flames). Person1 is just saying that there is something wrong in Debian (Person1 and Person3 are both debian developers for some time): ::: Person1 has joined: #debian-devel <Person1> the linux packages should really be called "linux" and not "kernel" <Person2> yeah <Person3> Person1: oh, don't fucking start ... It could also have been: "Yes, we know that, we are going to change that after woody. Please don't start the whole discussion again." IMHO Debian is clearly going the wrong way with all flaming. Oh, and if you don't react as an asshole and you read a thread first before jumping in and start discussing, and there still are a lot of people in Debian who know how you discuss, then this is not meant of you. To give an example how it should be, look at Ben's reaction, it just says in a professional way that I should not be offensive and don't speak on behalf of Debian etc. I agree with him, what I actually said was wrong. </rant> Jeroen Dekkers -- Jabber supporter - http://www.jabber.org Jabber ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU supporter - http://www.debian.org http://www.gnu.org IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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