On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 12:55:07AM -0500, Joseph Carter wrote: > On Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 11:37:55PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > yes. get an ISP that can do reverse DNS. YEESHHH! I'll happily > > bounce their mail until then. > > Are you willing to pay the difference between the cost of that user's > current ISP and one which meets your standard? Until then, you have > absolutely no right to tell someone what ISP they should use.
nobody's telling anyone to get any particular ISP or that they have to pay for a premium quality service. it's simple - if you want a service that's worth having, you pay whatever it costs. if you don't want that, then pay for a cheap/crappy service and put up with it without whining. if you pay peanuts for a crap service from incompetent bumbling fools who can't even get reverse DNS working, then don't be surprised when what you get actually IS a crap service. and don't be surprised when your connectivity and your ability to communicate suffers as a result. caveat emptor. (that said, i don't believe that missing reverse DNS is a good reason for bouncing mail. a "450 try again later" response is more appropriate, to cope with temporary dns outages. bouncing mail from nonexistant domains, however, is a different story - it's almost certainly spam and there's no point in accepting a message which doesn't have a valid reply address so just bounce it) > For some, the option of getting another ISP is unaffordable or even > impossible in some regions of the world. This is sometimes true even in > the US, especially if you require more than a modem connection. there are numerous ways around the problem if you are stuck with a crappy dialup ISP, one of which is to pay for decent mail service from someone who has a clue and run uucp over tcp or an ssh tunnel to port 25, or any of the other methods which have been mentioned every time this and similar issues (e.g. the recurring DUL thread) comes up. there ARE sites that offer reasonably priced (between $5 and $20 per month) uucp mail services. there are even sites that will offer the same or similar services for free - e.g. i have an open standing offer to provide ssh or uucp access for mail for any debian or other free software developer - although i reserve the right to refuse service to one particular loser (can you guess who, joseph?) and make sure that everyone who takes me up on the offer accepts the fact that the service is not guaranteed, you get at least what you pay for (i.e. nothing), and it may die with no warning or recompense for any number of reasons. if i've got the time i'd even be willing to experiment with the certificate based relay control in postfix-tls (so far i only use it for smtp encryption, not relay control) craig -- craig sanders -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
