Le vendredi, 28 août 2015, 13.51:52 Ian Jackson a écrit : > Didier 'OdyX' Raboud writes: > > Keith's proposal doesn't imply that the trad menu would "be > > destroyed" (your words), > > It does. There is nothing in Keith's proposal which preserves the > existing trad menu metadata. According to `apt-file search' that is a > database of 2296 menu entries (in wheezy).
Sorry, but this is just _wrong_, and I can't let you continue arguing that way. All the proposals on the table leave room for the trad-menu to exist, only that the packages are not required to provide menu entries themselves anymore. I think apparmor is a fine example: the maintainers of apparmor do maintain the apparmor-profiles package which collects apparmor profiles for packages that don't ship them (or that ship outdated or broken ones). This gives them an easy way to have an overview of the profiles, update the outdated ones centrally, etc. Both the apparmor profiles in the packages and those in the apparmor-profiles package coexist. The "trad-menu" database will be preserved iff there is enough manpower to make this happen: either through an automated desktop-to-menu translation interface, or through a centralisation of that database. The crux of the issue is IMHO whether it makes sense to continue to put the burden to maintain this database (with a by-policy larger coverage, but also technically overcome [icons, translation], etc) on all packagers through our technical policy. Multiple major desktop environments simply _ignore_ this database (for a long time), and they provide the base for a certain majority of our users that make use of either the trad-menu or the XDG-menu. Continuing to claim that either fellow developers or to the TC as body wants the destruction of the 'trad-menu' is IMHO a mis-caracterisation of these opinions, and feels like a way to twist arms. Claiming that multiple developers (both during the Policy discussion as well as here) want to get rid of the "should" obligation imposed on all application package maintainers to provide "trad-menu" entries seems way more correct to me. OdyX
