>>"Anthony" == Anthony Towns <aj@azure.humbug.org.au> writes:
Anthony> On Sun, Apr 28, 2002 at 02:22:41PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> There is also the matter of perception (quality of
>> implementation is a subjective matter).
Anthony> There're other quality of implementation issues that affect
Anthony> such perceptions too, though:
Sure, there are bazillions of such cfriteria, and each one
adds to the reputation. Or detracts from it
Anthony> one is the number of pointless little packages you have to
Anthony> find and install to have your system continue working the
Anthony> way it used to.
If you are talking about holding the package count to a
reasonable number, easily encompassed by a user, you have already
lost.
What we need is to make package selection, and presenting the
user with related packages, and making package selection a useful, if
not enjoyable, experience.
By degrading user experience by presenting packages with
programs that are broken when properly installed helps nobody.
Anthony> "Programs" is not a good division to make. "Packages"
Anthony> is. "Features" is. What's a "program" and what isn't is an
Anthony> implementation detail, and little more.
>> But people interact with programs, really, not packages. We
>> had an invariant: set up a package right, and things work as
>> advertised.
Anthony> We've never had that invariant. pcmcia-cs has been this way
Anthony> for ever, apt-preconfigure has been this way since woody,
Anthony> and there're a handful of other packages which have moved
Anthony> from or to it at various times.
And I posit these packages have had intermittent bugs. We
certainly have never had a bug free release since I joined the
project in '95, no.
Anthony> If you install all the dependencies, and nothing more, all
Anthony> your programs will work, except for a few that you don't
Anthony> care about anyway that have good reason to be as they are.
I see. I think your telepathic abilities are working less well
than you imagine.
manoj
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