2013/1/13 Steven Chamberlain <ste...@pyro.eu.org>: > Hi, > > On 12/01/13 20:07, Praveen A wrote: >> I think it is an important enough program to be on cd 1. > > Yes probably. A user with only CD1 may need this before they are able > to download more packages or CDs. (I would have thought maybe synaptic > as well for novice users?).
Yes, synaptic would be good too. Currently it installs gnome-packagekit (gpk-application), so it is not that essential. If we can swap it with synaptic in case of space constrains, that would be good I think. > I can think of a few ways this could be achieved: > > 1. add network-manager-gnome to debian-cd's tasks/wheezy/forcd1 - this > is no good though, because forcd1 is used for other desktops and not > just the (GNOME) CD1 (apt-offline was added to CD1 for similar reasons > to this, see #630805; also #231583: bpalogin, a long time ago); just > adding network-manager would not bring in the necessary GUI I think mobile-broadband-provider-info would also be required but I think it is a dependency already for network-manager-gnome. usb-modeswitch would also be required to get the modem working. Not sure if this is already in cd 1. > 2. add network-manager-gnome specially to debian-cd's > tasks/wheezy/Debian-gnome, after the forcd1 include - after all, we are > just trying to manipulate what goes onto CD1. > > 3. add network-manager-gnome to gnome-core (seems inappropriate) yes, there was big debate on it http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=681834 > 4. add network-manager-gnome to tasksel's task-gnome-desktop as a > required package - would this be sensible? Should a task 'require' > something maybe needed by a novice user to set up networking? > > > Out of curiosity, I did some other analysis: based on the > popularity-contest file in debian-cd/3.1.10, current wheezy amd64 CD1 > only has complete coverage down to rank #148 (libgpm2). And it has an > assortment of odd packages all the way down to rank #34291 (caribou-antler). Probably a good idea to replace all low ranked packages with libre office. But that would be a too difficult, I guess. > network-manager has rank #869. There are 278 packages with higher > popcon than network-manager that are not on CD1. network-manager itself > is quite big; it also has a lot of dependencies, but fortunately all > are on CD1 already. Another could be wicd, but as its dependencies are already on CD1, it would not be an issue. > The unanswered question is still - what would be displaced by placing > network-manager-gnome on CD1 Currently CD 1 has only 634M, so I guess some more additional package could be sneaked in. > > The xfce CD has network-manager(-gnome). So if you are limited by > bandwidth, this desktop could be a better choice anyway due to lower > install size and presumably smaller size of updates during its lifetime. > If a machine can only read CD-ROM but not DVD-ROM then it is probably > quite resource-constrained, and xfce should be better than gnome3 in > this regard also. I figured that already as it has both network manager and Libre Office. And most people may not like gnome 3. > The (GNOME) CD1 becomes less useful as the distribution grows in size. > On download pages and in documentation, I would think it best to promote > the various DVD and USB images primarily, followed by either a GNOME CD > *set* (suggesting CD1+2 minimum) or a single XFCE/LXDE CD, followed by > the mini images for netinst/netboot/console-only etc. Yes, the documentation needs update and people should be told about it early on or they will end up disappointing. -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-cd-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOo+eVrVKt29eHO9w=MJ=Rya905Rzw_WPSt2r5P=bgCebOO=e...@mail.gmail.com
