Hello all, I'm not very familiar with legal language, but I'd like to point out some things that seem apparent to me. Correct me if I'm making a mistake.
On Tue, 25 Mar 2025 10:02:58 +0100 Sylvestre Ledru <sylves...@mozilla.com> wrote: > The TOU doesnât violate any of the DFSG terms, as it doesnât (and wonât) > discriminate against any category. I think the existence of the Firefox Terms of Use violate the DFSG section 7: > 7. Distribution of License > > The rights attached to the program must apply to all to whom the > program is redistributed without the need for execution of an > additional license by those parties. Even more so, due to this section of the Firefox Terms of Use: >From https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/legal/terms/firefox/: > Mozilla Can Update These Terms > > Every once in a while, Mozilla may decide to update these Terms. We will > post the updated Terms online. We will take your continued use of > Firefox as acceptance of such changes. We will post an effective date at > the top of this page to make it clear when we made our most recent > update. Also, I don't know whether the DFSG applies to the online services, for example if they are enabled by default, but: On Tue, 25 Mar 2025 10:02:58 +0100 Sylvestre Ledru <sylves...@mozilla.com> wrote: > However, we reserve the right to block access to some of our online > services in case of abuse. Seems to potentially violate section 5 of the DFSG: > 5. No Discrimination Against Persons or Groups > > The license must not discriminate against any person or group of persons. On whether the terms apply to the Firefox browser: On Mon, 24 Mar 2025 23:31:15 +0100 "Andrea Pappacoda" <ta...@debian.org> wrote: > What is not reasonable is for these same terms of use to be applied to > Firefox, which is not a web service. > > People are concerned because it is not clear how much of these new terms > of use also apply to Firefox. This should be made clearer. To many, > Firefox isn't an online service, it is just a program which should not > need to even contact Mozilla servers to perform its functions. The new terms do apply to Firefox, they are called Firefox Terms of Use, and state: >From https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/legal/terms/firefox/: > You Give Mozilla Certain Rights and Permissions > > You give Mozilla the rights necessary to operate Firefox. This includes > processing your data as we describe in the Firefox Privacy Notice. It > also includes a nonexclusive, royalty-free, worldwide license for the > purpose of doing as you request with the content you input in > Firefox. This does not give Mozilla any ownership in that content. And in the Firefox Privacy Notice (https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/privacy/firefox/#notice), ways in which user data is processed include: > To provide and improve search functionality > To serve relevant content and advertising on Firefox New Tab > To understand usage of Firefox > To market our services There are different terms, titled Mozilla Accounts Terms of Service (https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/legal/terms/services/), that exist for the online services. - T
