block 553928 with 557667 thanks * Raphael Hertzog <hert...@debian.org> [2009-11-23 22:14:01 CET]: > notfound 557667 1.13.26 > found 557667 1.14.25 > thanks
Sorry. :) > On Mon, 23 Nov 2009, Gerfried Fuchs wrote: > > Behaving differently wether quilt is installed or not is working against > > the principles of least surprise, results in FTBFS in certain areas, and > > is a hassle. > > Would it be more acceptable if it could no more lead to FTBFS at all? That's a bit overrated, please keep the discussion to a sensible level. Though, either it should built conflict with quilt, or build-depend on quilt, or not produce FTBFS in these areas. This is one big reason to *not* switch to default 3.0 (quilt) source format. > What other hassle have you identified apart from the problem that you > can't use quilt if you had it not installed at unpack time? None that I am yet aware of but I'm not certain that there are no others. Not having dpkg, as a toolchain program, behave reliable in exactly the same way in all areas is just calling for troubles, possibly forseeable and not yet forseeable ones. > > Fix for this would be to Depend on quilt to make sure that it's always > > installed and make dpkg-source -x behave *exactly the same* all the > > time. Another fix for it would be to make dpkg-source -x be able to do > > that even without quilt installed. > > What do you mean by "do that"? Creating the .pc directory used by quilt? Yes, so that dpkg-source -x behaves exactly the same, no matter wether quilt is installed or not. > > But it is important to have dpkg-source behave idempotent, otherwise > > there will be lots of different areas things can (and will) break. > > I'm all for fixing dpkg-source to avoid those breakage when you discover > them but I don't want to have dpkg-source recreate .pc without using quilt > and guillem would like to avoid the quilt dependency. Then we are at a deadlock here and this means the dead for the push of 3.0 (quilt) as default, sorry. You claimed that quilt using packages won't need to change anything, now it turns out that the quilt handling has to be removed - and given that things *have* to be changed switching the default can't happen. Feel free to close this bugreport when you remove the intention to fix #553928 without making it a wontfix. :) Unfortunately I don't see any other way round that. Thanks. :) Rhonda -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
