Hi, Just noticed Bug#511357: "Sorting wrong for sv_SE" since it was used as a reason to close my #506784.
I recommend you to be conservative with these kinds of changes -- people are likely to go "what the heck?" if collation suddenly changes. Not because software breaks (assuming LC_COLLATE=sv never changes meaning is of course a bug) but because it's not the collation order they are used to, when eyeballing an ordered list. I was unaware that SAOL was normative for collation order (it's barely normative as a dictionary). I can well imagine them choosing to split out 'w' for the purpose of their dictionary, without claiming that this is the all-purpose sv_SE collation rule. Unfortunately www.saol.se is down for the moment, so I cannot check http://www.saol.se/saol13_pres.html but these two secondary sources indeed interpret it like David does, as making 'w' a letter in its own right: http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/W http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=1058&a=538744&previousRenderType=3 There might be an amount of "spin" involved here: press releases for new editions of SAOL usually highlight oddities, such as annoying catch-phrases (e.g. "nakenchock") being added. For an earlier debate on who decides what sv_SE looks like, see bug #111268. (That one seemed to be about SIS versus Svenska språknämnden, and concerned LC_TIME, but I haven't read it closely.) I guess I'm just saying: be careful. If Debian alone changes, we look odd. If OSes in general change, "computers" will look odd until people in .se get used to the new collation rule after a few decades (keep in mind that most printed and electronic works today use the w-is-v rule). And if everyone but Debian (OSes and people) change, Debian will look old-fashioned after a while. I should add here that I'm usually not involved in l10n issues. Maybe you regulars are used to handling changes like these, have a policy already, and do not need my general advice. For what it's worth, I am used to the old rule and I wish SAOL hadn't opened this can of worms ... or, rather, created the can. /Jorgen -- // Jörgen Grahn | mot du jour: Child of Flames \X/ <gr...@snipabacken.se> |
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