Bas Wijnen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi,
Here we go again, with a good timing wrt recent changes in SANE. So, I'll tell you right away that, though I haven't made up my mind just yet, I think I'm going to bypass the clickthrough starting with Lenny. The XSane development has slowed considerably over the last 2 years, and Oliver left the SANE project a few days ago. Though he'll still work on XSane, I think releases will be just as infrequent as they've been in recent times, which, as far as I am concerned, means more maintenance on the Debian side long-term. Also things are getting better on the hardware support side, though we'll still see the occasional "scanner head bumps against case". > Indeed. And it is obviously his right to not remove it from his > distribution, but Debian doesn't need to suffer from authors with weird "Weird ideas" that, in this case, aren't weird at all. I did confirm his issue is legitimate with other german developers. > click-through. But if he releases it as free software, then we have the > right to remove that. And IMO we should do it, too. Because we have the right as per the license text doesn't mean we have the *moral* right to do it. It's a distinction that's important to me. > - If this is intended as a legal safeguard, then please refuse to annoy > our users with this nonsense and remove it in the Debian package. As There's another issue that you're not getting. When discussing this issue, this point came up: it's possible to use a GPL app without accepting its license. In this case, the clickthrough makes it clear that the user accepted the license and is now bound by its terms. > you're saying that being friends with upstream is more important than > delivering a good distribution[1]. IMO this goes against our Social I really don't like what you're writing here, and actually I find it quite stupid. If we can assemble a distribution this size with as few as ca. 400 active developers (FSVO active), it's precisely because we have, most of the time, good to excellent relationships with upstreams. If our relationships with upstreams were as bad as what we've seen with cdrecord, mozilla, ion3 or you name it, we'd be in serious troubles (not to mention we'd really be a bunch of assholes). Anyway, I am amazed at the attention this clickthrough is getting. If only my calls for testers would get that much attention (oh, don't bother, I don't even do that anymore). There will probably be an XSane upload closing this bug in the upcoming 2-3 weeks. It's on my TODO list, but I have a couple of things planned before I can get to that. JB. -- Julien BLACHE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | Debian, because code matters more Debian & GNU/Linux Developer | <http://www.debian.org> Public key available on <http://www.jblache.org> - KeyID: F5D6 5169 GPG Fingerprint : 935A 79F1 C8B3 3521 FD62 7CC7 CD61 4FD7 F5D6 5169 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
