Hi,
Am 22.03.26 um 17:15 schrieb Jeremy Bícha:
On Sun, Mar 22, 2026 at 4:18 AM Rene Engelhard <[email protected]> wrote:
This is bad for Phosh because it would pull in
both libreoffice-common and libreoffice-core which total more than 200
MB without considering other dependencies. Is it possible to remove
libreoffice-common and libreoffice-core from the Depends and
Recommends of the libreoffice-l10n-* packages?
And have libreoffice-l10n-* installed without libreoffice itself? How
much sense does that make?
Won't do that. The only tning I would be willing to do is to make it a
Recommends:. As with apts default that will be installed too, though,
which is what we usually want, but which probably won't help for your
wish as it will be pulled in anyway?
It allows someone to install a Debian desktop with French and get a
4MB package (libreoffice-l10n-fr) installed without the 200 MB needed
for libreoffice-common and libreoffice-core If they don't have
libreoffice installed.
Someone can do that. They just don't need to install via tasks.
And if they don't want libreoffice they don't need to install
libreoffice-l10n-fr anyways.
The whole task system is just helping people. It's not a requirement.
When they install libreoffice, it will automatically support French immediately.
Not in the past, in the past it even would have broken (see below)
What is the benefit of installing libreoffice-common and
libreoffice-core? It doesn't include any of the LibreOffice apps.
That is true. But simply because there's no real package to install. There's
people who only want (or need!)
-writer, -calc etc so one can not have a package to depend on. Or do you want
me to Recommends: libreoffice
(which would even install -base etc. with their Java depends...)
Looking at the history it once was -core only and -common was needed for
upgrades/was needed when -l10ns had ucf-managed config files:
https://salsa.debian.org/libreoffice-team/libreoffice/libreoffice/-/commit/7f92eacb5b48fab8f6a8f7a6e184d8850282eda2
[ Note bookworm -> trixie also had even Pre-Depends: to make the upgrade work:
https://salsa.debian.org/libreoffice-team/libreoffice/libreoffice/-/commit/70d2b28233b46fceb4987b8795c53cd49d0c384b.
Not needed after trixie, though. ]
If you don't like my proposal, do you have any better way of solving
Debian's language task metapackage issue?
I don't see an issue to be honest. Maybe a nuisance, yes.
But I believe this "issue" is just made up or at least made bigger as it is.
urrently, we have
- task-french (French translations and utilities that don't require a GUI)
- task-french-desktop (This currently is installed for people who
install Debian in French, at least with the net installer, **and**
keep "Debian desktop environment" selected. It installs dictionary and
thesaurus support. It installs the LibreOffice and Firefox
translations.)
And
firefox-esr-l10n-fr | firefox-l10n-fr.
I don't see a similar bug filed by you against firefox-esr?
Shouldn't it ideally be consistent?
(Besides the fact that it probably should do chromium...)
Regards,
Rene
