On Thursday, 7 May 2020 6:58:49 PM AEST Ansgar wrote: > So all packages that want systemd-tmpfiles need "Depends: systemd" and > "Conflicts: systemctl" now? (Same for anything else provided by systemd, > but not systemctl.)
You are over-reacting. "systemctl" is a niche package that is used only under a very specific requirements. I might consider making a quick shell implementation of `systemd-tmpfiles` but without upstream support that won't be enough. > That's what would be required thanks to the changes in systemctl now > because you have some disagreement with the php maintainer. That disagreement led me to think that "Provides: systemd" would be useful in other similar situations. Why would you not apply pressure to maintainer of PHP-FPM instead of me? > Note that in particular "php7.4-fpm" would need that Conflicts now... Of course not. > > No, it is broken because of the bug in SysV init script which explicitly > > calls `systemd-tmpfiles` binary hence _requires_ systemd facility. > > That is not a bug, even if you might not like the init script doing > that. You don't want to call it a bug? OK, then let's call it sloppy design, misuse of systemd facility and problematic mixing of init systems functionality. Don't you see how it cause this and few other bugs? > Please read https://www.debian.org/vote/2019/vote_002. Vote have nothing to do with poor technical decisions. This is not a debate against systemd and I was never against it. Please stop trying to portray me as anti-systemd activist. > Also accusations of "systemd zealotry" and such poisons debates with > toxic arguments. I would appreciate if you could stop doing that. OK, I may have spoke a bit too emotionally but Ondřej was un-provokingly and unexpectedly rude to me first. I do express strong disapproval and disagreement with his decision to leverage `systemd-tmpfiles` for php-fpm SysV init script. Maybe he would listen to you if you wish to convey this message with grace of your eloquence, lack of which you are blaming on me. -- All the best, Dmitry Smirnov. --- Good luck happens when preparedness meets opportunity.
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