Le dimanche, 4 mars 2018, 01.10:33 h CET Juliusz Chroboczek a écrit : > >> I most respectfully disagree -- I should be able to install the hpps > >> binary without installing systemd. > > > > There are non-Debian distributions which allow you to do that; > > Are you seriously suggesting that whoever disagrees with you should switch > to a different distribution?
No. I'm making it clear to you that Debian isn't a distribution that supports avoiding the systemd binary package, as doing so doesn't make any technical sense. As mentionned already, the only thing that Debian supports along these lines is making sure that your init system is not switched unexpectedly to systemd. This has been decided multiple times by the Debian Technical Committee: * https://bugs.debian.org/727708 Decide which init system to default to in Debian. * https://bugs.debian.org/762194 Automatic switch to systemd on wheezy->jessie upgrades * https://bugs.debian.org/835507 Please clarify that sysvinit support decision is not going to expire * https://bugs.debian.org/883573 libpam-systemd systemd-sysv ordering * https://bugs.debian.org/889493 Review if systemd is reliable enough to be the default There is _wide_ consensus in the Debian development community that merely avoiding 'systemd' doesn't make sense and *is not supported*. If that's a requirement for you, you need to change distribution (or come to understand systemd). > Look, Didier, this is clearly a spurious dependency. There is no reason > why I should need to install systemd just so I get install a binary. At the risk of repeating myself: hplip depends on policykit-1, which requires systemd-login, which needs either systemd-shim (which is _NOT_ systemd, but a systemd compatibility layer) OR systemd-sysv (which replaces your init system with systemd). You _can_ install and use hplip in Debian without systemd as init system. > This can be achieved in many ways, including splitting the package, or > replacing a Depends with a Recommends somewhere. Please be so kind as to > think about it rather than try to kick me out. I thought about it, and my definitive answer is no. PolicyKit is important for software like hplip, and it needs the 'systemd' package. Point. This is my last message on this subject/bug. If you still disagree with my evaluation of this bug, you can of course refer this question to the Technical Committee, following the steps outlined in: https://www.debian.org/devel/tech-ctte.en.html#referquestions That said, it would be mean from me to send you to the Technical Committee with false hopes. As mentionned above, my understanding is that there is wide consensus, also underlined by successive Technical Committee decisions, that "Debian needs to allow avoiding the 'systemd' package altogether" is _not_ something supported by Debian. Also, at the risk of using an authority argument, just be aware that I am currently a member of the TC (see https://www.debian.org/intro/organization#officers for the current list), and that I think the responses I have given here are pretty inline with what other members of the TC would have written. (Would you submit this question to the TC, I would obviously stay off the discussion.) Regards, OdyX
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