On Sun, 20 Sep 2015 17:09:58 +0200 Michael Biebl <[email protected]> wrote: > Am 20.09.2015 um 16:37 schrieb Martin Pitt: > > Hello Matthias, > > > > Matthias Urlichs [2015-09-20 9:22 +0200]: > >> Some packages depend on or recommend e.g. "rsyslogd | system-log-daemon". > >> systemd provides a log daemon (the journal) and already intercepts all > >> syslog requests, so IMHO adding a "Provides: system-log-daemon" makes > >> sense. > > > > Indeed, thanks for the suggestion! Done in packaging git. > > I'm actually not sure if we should do that just yet. > Keep in mind that we don't enable persistent logging in journald. > One idea, that's coming from openSUSE, is a basically empty package > which ships /var/log/journal, thus enabled persistent logging and this > package would provide system-log-daemon.
I'd actually suggest *two* tiny packages: a systemd-journal-persistent package that ships /var/log/journal and provides/conflicts system-log-daemon, and a systemd-journal-transient package that pointedly doesn't ship /var/log/journal (or in the future if "auto" mode goes away, explicitly configures transient mode) and provides/conflicts system-log-daemon. That way, someone who really does want in-memory logging only can install systemd-journal-transient to make that choice explicitly, satisfying other packages that need a system-log-daemon. (It might then also make sense for systemd to express some form of Depends/Recommends/Suggests on systemd-journal-persistent | systemd-journal-transient | system-log-daemon.)
