On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 06:54:17AM -0700, Anthony Fok wrote: > Hi Julian, > > I forgot to say in my last reply: I thought you were not around, so I > had already prepared an NMU for upload to the DELAYED/10-days queue, > with the changes committed to your collab-maint repository: > > http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/collab-maint/app-install-data.git > > and was getting ready to write to you about it. :-)
But you included many unrelated changes which do not belong into an NMU. > > Anyhow, looking back the history of this bug report and the two other > reports that were merged, I will say this: > > You should have patched spout.desktop way back in March 2013 rather > than waiting till after the Wheezy release, and then kind of > forgetting about it. The spout maintainer should have fixed his package in unstable too. I assume I waited for him to update first and wanted to do another update run from the archive later on, but forgot about it (or it was too close to release, I don't know what happened two years ago ...) And yes, I forget about stuff starting in April, because a new semester starts and university keeps me busy enough most of the time until late July. > > Yes, it was the Wheezy Freeze, but it was the perfect time for > resolving this kind of bug, because you would have fixed a rather > nasty problem that multiple users ran into. You weren't introducing > any new feature to the package even if you were to fetch the newer > spout.desktop from experimental, so it was a perfectly acceptable fix > to get into Wheezy even during the freeze. To me it looked like a minor cosmetic issue. I was not aware that it was annoying until Joey wrote the email in July 2013 (which I probably assumed to refer to != stable). At that point, there were practically no real users anymore, and we probably already decided to kick out app-install-data completely for Jessie. And even in wheezy, the whole software-center eco system was already replaced by PackageKit as the default, so there were not many users left. If this is a real problem for stable users as well (spamming cron), feel free to ask the stable release team if this can be fixed in a point release and upload a stable update to -proposed-updates. > > Well, how time flies, and the Jessie Freeze is upon us, and yet this > problem was left unresolved, and still biting unsuspecting end users > to this day. This time around, you tell us that you never intended to > keep app-install-data around, and requests its removal from unstable > (sid), i.e. it would finally be gone from Debian 9.0. But what about > Debian 8.0? Removals from testing are done automatically when the package is removed from unstable. > > You see, this is equivalent of saying, "Oh, I will have it fixed for > the NEXT release," but seems to have forgotten that "Users of Stable > Release" also suffer from this bug! Debian 7.0 (Wheezy) users who > have unluckily installed both "app-install-data" and > "apt-xapian-index" have already suffered from this bug, and if we > don't get the bug fixed specifically for Jessie, Debian 8.0 (Wheezy) > users will suffer the same bug too! > > > Please be mindful that: > > * Not all end users are technies like us. > Many wouldn't have a clue what to do when they see a bug like this, > and they need our help to squash the bug! > > * While it is good that you always look to the "future", > please do not forget the "present" and the "past"! > Our "testing" and "stable" users are suffering from the same bug, > and they need our help too! > > * If it is a bug, especially when multiple people > have complained about it, get it fixed ASAP, > even during the freeze, because that is what the freeze is for! > > "Freeze" does *not* mean "do nothing until the freeze is over"! I was only aware of a minor issue. It did not affect software-center which is the only reason I packaged app-install-data and the only thing I tested it with. A minor issue is by definition not suitable for a fix during the freeze (or in a stable release), as only release-critical (and earlier in the freeze, important) bugs are allowed to be fixed. -- Julian Andres Klode - Debian Developer, Ubuntu Member See http://wiki.debian.org/JulianAndresKlode and http://jak-linux.org/. Be friendly, do not top-post, and follow RFC 1855 "Netiquette". - If you don't I might ignore you. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [email protected] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [email protected]
