Beautiful!  Thanks, that did the trick.  I suspected
systemd-shim, because I never understood what it was for in 
the first place.  I've been on systemd init system for years
now and when I see some systemd 'helper' to ease conversions
from sysvinit I am always suspicious.  Then when I saw the pre(post)inst
files with 'mv' in there and the diff on the systemd and systemd-shim
.conf files, the differences were _exactly_ the ones having to
do with this problem (ListUnits{}, etc.).  Shady shim!  

        Only remaining mystery is why it works on the other machine
which has systemd-shim installed but I'll leave that alone, it's 
enough dbus stuff for me for the next few months :).

        OK to close.


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