Hi On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 08:34:52AM +0200, Robert Millan wrote: > El 11 d’abril de 2012 5:24, David Prévot <taf...@debian.org> ha escrit: > > Hi kFreeBSD folks, Hurd folks CC. > > > > After taking care of the website (mostly changing “Debian GNU/Linux” to > > a simple “Debian” where it's accurate), we are wondering if our Debian > > documentation is kFreeBSD-ready, i.e. can we safely drop “GNU/Linux”, or > > do we need to tweak the documentation first?
maybe ... > I can't answer your question, however I wanted to comment something > about one of the proposed texts: > > | Debian is a free operating system (OS) for your computer. An operating > | system is the set of basic programs and utilities that make your > | computer run. Debian uses the Linux or FreeBSD kernel (the core of an > | operating system), but most of the basic OS tools come from the GNU > | project; hence the name Debian GNU/Linux or Debian GNU/kFreeBSD. > > This is saying that FreeBSD is a kernel, and that Debian uses it. But > that's not true. Debian doesn't use FreeBSD, only a small part of it > (its kernel, plus some bits of kernel-related code). The phrase > "kernel of FreeBSD" (or its abbreviation, "kFreeBSD") is often used to > refer to the situation unambigously. Very good point. I also think placing equivalent weight for GNU/Linux and GNU/kFreeBSD might skew the reality. Just because we released GNU/kFreeBSD does not make it to gain the completely equivalent status as GNU/Linux. When we look at the recent sysyemd/upstart/sysvint discussion, this is obvious. Now we have: | Debian systems currently use the Linux kernel or the FreeBSD kernel. | Linux is a piece of software started by Linus Torvalds and supported by | thousands of programmers worldwide. FreeBSD is an operating system | including a kernel and other software. | | However, work is in progress to provide Debian for other kernels, | primarily for the Hurd. The Hurd is a collection of servers that run on | top of a microkernel (such as Mach) to implement different features. The | Hurd is free software produced by the GNU project. | | A large part of the basic tools that fill out the operating system come | from the GNU project; hence the names: GNU/Linux, GNU/kFreeBSD and | GNU/Hurd. These tools are also free. I think adding some historical context should make this balanced. I propose the following to keep this part not too long: | Debian system was created as the Free operating system initially on the | i386 PC platform using the Linux kernel started by Linus Torvalds with | many system tools from the GNU project. Thus Debian was initially called | as "Debian GNU/Linux". | | Since then, Debian has been ported to various hardware platforms and | Free kernel platforms. | | Debian has released its ports using the kernel from FreeBSD project with | the same set of GNU tools as "Debian GNU/kFreeBSD". | | There are activities in progress to port Debian system to the Hurd from | GNU project as "Debian GNU/Hurd". Hurd is a collection of servers that | run on top of a microkernel (such as Mach). This way, a change in future for "Debian GNU/kFreeBSD" or "Debian GNU/Hurd" only requires to change one paragraph. (My initial proposal we a bit too much to put all Debian GNU/* together.) Osamu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bsd-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120413002708.GA7563@localhost
