2007/10/27, Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Frans Pop wrote: > No, it's much more natural to optimise for the common case, which is > using a mirror. Users should not be encouraged to scan huge piles of CDs. > Huge piles of CDs are obsolete in all but a very few edge cases.
Not at all. Does the first CD provide Open Office? Do you think only broadband users should have open Office? (Oh you could just select OpenOffice from synaptic, oh wait synaptic is not in first cd you should apt-cdrom add and then install synaptic and then install Open Office or you can just use apt-get/aptitude). This is the kind of geek elitist attitude that puts off many new users. Even though I wanted to i can't recommend etch to people here (we don't have broadband that common - my maximum speed is 30K - I could be considered an internet elite), when Ubuntu gives everything a normal user wants in one CD. Even though that could be compensted with 2 cds one has to go through all these steps -- commandline puts off many newbies -- just to get Open Office. These users can't even ask for this - since they can't even check their mails daily. I had asked for this feature before etch but Frans said it was late for etch. Thanks a lot Frans for working on it. > When a user downloads a bunch of CDs they don't neeed, as in your > example, we've already failed once, let's not fail twice. We don't have broadband -- leave broadband there is no decent net connection -- for everyone. > > In general, you seem to be assuming that using multiple CDs is something > other than an exceptional edge case. It is not. That's why I happily > dropped it from the etch installer, and why only a few users have missed > it. If you want to fill in that edge case in the installer, that's fine > (and impressive), but it's not good to complicate the installation > process for the common case when doing so. Now we know whom to blame for it :-) What you didn't realise is that this has hurt lot many users than you have imagined -- many whom cannot even complain. It is not an edge case, it was a regression, sarge had it. Sorry if I sound too much complaining and accusative - this loss of functionality was really disappointing. Cheers Praveen -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് Join The DRM Elimination Crew Now! http://fci.wikia.com/wiki/Anti-DRM-Campaign
