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Package: installation-reports
Severity: minor
Hi!
Sorry for filing this as installation-reports, but I'm not sure to which
packages these comments should go.
I tested the business-card daily-build, with the "installgui" command.
This is not about the installation itself, but about some GUI things.
**
First of all, the first screen "Select your language" looks really awful.
You probably already know this, but the fact that the letters are not
fixed-size makes the text look garbled.
A possible solution would be to use fixed-size fonts, another solution
would be to add a way to put things in columns. But it currently looks too
messy to be displayed to the common user.
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Another thing is the "Screenshot" button. Is this button going to be
removed from the "official" versions? It's really not necessary and not
"professional" to have a screenshot button in the installation screens.
If there really _needs_ to be a Screenshot button, then it would be better
if it would be a small icon, and somewhere where the user would not spot it
(like in the upper right corner or something like that).
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Another really ugly thing is that when you are inside the "Choose Language"
section, in the country choosing, for example, if you press "Go back", it
goes to the main menu and not to the previous screen.
Now, both a common user and an expert user expect a "Go back" button to go
**BACK** and not to an unknown new screen. This is completely confusing.
To fix this, either make the "Go back" button go back, or change it into
"Main menu" or something.
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About the "Choose Language" thing, it took me a while to understand why it
said "Choose Language" when I was actually choosing my country. If you are
going to make it a section, then the title should better be more global.
Something like "Choose your localization" or "Localization choosing".
Also, after selecting "Spanish" in the first screen, the section title
still read "Choose Language" instead of "Escoja un idioma" (or whatever the
translation is).
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This is just a small wishlist but, would it be possible to detect the
double-click on a selected item as a "Continue"?
I really expected that to work in the GUI interface.
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Finally, I think that this is the only real bug of this report, I did the
following (yes, I'm complicated):
1) I selected Spanish
2) I went back
3) I selected Russian
4) I went back
5) I selected Spanish
6) I moved on
When I moved on, the section title was still in Russian, and even if I kept
choosing stuff, and the rest of the messages were all in Spanish, the
section title kept being in Russian.
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Well, that's all for now. I'll have more comments soon. Thanks for all
the work you do :)
Love,
Marga
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On Friday 29 December 2006 16:45, Margarita Manterola wrote:
> First of all, the first screen "Select your language" looks really
> awful.
Ack, and so do some of the screens in partman.
> A possible solution would be to use fixed-size fonts,
But that would make the graphical installer as a whole look really
oldfashioned and ugly (and use much more space for the same text.
Dilemma...
> another solution would be to add a way to put things in columns.
Yes, that is the real solution, but needs either custom code for the
relevant questions or an extension to the debconf protocol...
Expect progress on this during Lenny.
> Another thing is the "Screenshot" button. Is this button going to be
> removed from the "official" versions? It's really not necessary and
> not "professional" to have a screenshot button in the installation
> screens.
It's useful for error reporting, especially issues with languages using
"weird" character sets, which are one of the main targets for the
graphical installer.
> If there really _needs_ to be a Screenshot button, then it would be
> better if it would be a small icon, and somewhere where the user would
> not spot it (like in the upper right corner or something like that).
Is planned.
> Another really ugly thing is that when you are inside the "Choose
> Language" section, in the country choosing, for example, if you press
> "Go back", it goes to the main menu and not to the previous screen.
This is not g-i specific.
Go Back handling is not consistent over all d-i components, and sometimes
the correct behavior is either very hard to implement or functionally not
logical. There is definite room for improvement though.
> To fix this, either make the "Go back" button go back, or change it
> into "Main menu" or something.
I think this is again not possible withing the current debconf protocol.
> About the "Choose Language" thing, it took me a while to understand why
> it said "Choose Language" when I was actually choosing my country. If
> you are going to make it a section, then the title should better be
> more global. Something like "Choose your localization" or "Localization
> choosing".
This is a fairly carefully chosen compromise, If you want to discuss it
further, talk to Christian ;-)
> Also, after selecting "Spanish" in the first screen, the section title
> still read "Choose Language" instead of "Escoja un idioma" (or whatever
> the translation is).
Known issue. Debconf limitation (which also has benefits): the title is
only set once, at the beginning of a series of dialogs.
> This is just a small wishlist but, would it be possible to detect the
> double-click on a selected item as a "Continue"?
Seen your follow-up.
What bothers me most is that hitting enter does not select continue in
multi-select lists...
[...]
> When I moved on, the section title was still in Russian, and even if I
> kept choosing stuff, and the rest of the messages were all in Spanish,
> the section title kept being in Russian.
Same issue as last but one...
Thank you for the review, Marga. As all the issues you mentioned are
known, I'm closing this report as well.
We're very happy that we've gotten the graphical installer working as well
as it does. A few very nasty issues have been fixed only very recently
and we still have a major memory leak to solve (patch is now available).
I expect that a lot of what you mention will be tackled during Lenny:
first get it working, then polish.
See also:
- http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/GUI
- http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/GUIToDo
Cheers,
FJP
P.S. Want to get involved? ;-)
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