Package: installation-reports Debian-installer-version: Sarge Test Candidate 1, June 8, 2004, from http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/tc1/sarge-i386-netinst.iso uname -a: Linux sol 2.4.26-1-386 #2 Sat May 1 16:31:24 EST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux Date: June 8, 2004, 9:40pm Method: From installation CD, Debian Sarge Test Candidate 1
Machine: No-name PC Processor: Duron 800 Memory: 256 MB Root Device: IDE /dev/hda Root Size/partition table: sol:/home/dustin# fdisk -l /dev/hda Disk /dev/hda: 20.0 GB, 20020396032 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 2434 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System Mounted on /dev/hda1 * 1 765 6144831 83 Linux unused /dev/hda2 766 831 530145 82 Linux swap /dev/hda3 832 1469 5124735 83 Linux / /dev/hda4 1470 2434 7751362+ 83 Linux unused Output of lspci: sol:/home/dustin# lspci pcilib: Cannot open /sys/bus/pci/devices 0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8363/8365 [KT133/KM133] (rev 03) 0000:00:01.0 PCI bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8363/8365 [KT133/KM133 AGP] 0000:00:07.0 ISA bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C686 [Apollo Super South] (rev 40) 0000:00:07.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586A/B/VT82C686/A/B/VT823x/A/C/VT8235 PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 06) 0000:00:07.2 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6202 [USB 2.0 controller] (rev 16) 0000:00:07.3 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6202 [USB 2.0 controller] (rev 16) 0000:00:07.4 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C686 [Apollo Super ACPI] (rev 40) 0000:00:0e.0 Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3c905C-TX/TX-M [Tornado] (rev 78) 0000:00:0f.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 08) 0000:00:0f.1 Input device controller: Creative Labs SB Live! MIDI/Game Port (rev 08) 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV5M64 [RIVA TNT2 Model 64/Model 64 Pro] (rev 15) Base System Installation Checklist: Initial boot worked: [O] Configure network HW: [O] Config network: [O] Detect CD: [O] Load installer modules: [O] Detect hard drives: [O] Partition hard drives: [O] Create file systems: [O] Mount partitions: [O] Install base system: [O] Install boot loader: [O] Reboot: [O] [O] = OK, [E] = Error (please elaborate below), [ ] = didn't try it Comments/Problems: Did a virtually default install, not creating new partitions, but I let the installer format a partition. The initial install was flawless. I was jumping for joy that Debian installer had finally got it right. But I wasn't out of the woods yet! Here are the snags I encountered: 1) Next I used "tasksel" to install these categories: Desktop environment Games Linux Standard Base Office environment Custom kernel compilation Debian Jr. Scientific applications TeX/LaTeX environment At first, I chose the Debian mirror "mirror.direct.ca". That mirror was missing the package libmpeg, so the apt-getting crapped out ungracefully! Repeated attempts to download failed, even when the "apt-get update"-ing was repeated. The problem was solved by choosing a different mirror. **Perhaps the advice to back up a few steps and and try a different mirror would have been helpful to more novice users, if not all packages could be downloaded by apt.** 2) Once the actual packages were getting installed en masse (and many packages ask questions), all of a sudden there was a huge jump in confusion. The questions asked during package installation, *****which novice users will view as part of the initial install***** (even though they are technically out of the hands of the Debian Installer) were very novice-unfriendly. Many packages did not offer recommendations as default answers. I can't remember quite which ones, but any and all packages that ask questions that are part of the tasks: Desktop environment Games Linux Standard Base Office environment ...in tasksel should refrain from asking the end user questions, or make it very easy and dumbed down, and always recommend a default answer if they're unsure (like the linux kernel does when you configure it). In other words, these "critical path" packages (which every novice will install) need to be very easy to configure at the time of package installation. Two prime examples: -the package "resolvconf" should have not asked its question, it should have just done the default thing, putting a note in a file in /usr/share/doc/resolvconf/, which all geeks who run into a snag will figure out to look to. -the package xserver-xfree86 talked about the DDC protocol, then I chose for the autodection of my monitor's powers to be attempted, then the next thing I knew, I was being asked to chose between simple, medium, or advanced configuring (of XF86Config). I was not told how the DDC autodetection went!! For all I know it didn't even occur. The questions about autodetecting got my hopes up that configuring X would be easy, but no, I had to do it the hard way (by using advanced mode, and manually entering my Horiz and Vert frequencies, which has been proven to be the only way to get it right in the past). There needs to be informational messages like "Now trying DDC detection, please wait", and "DDC detection failed, now you'll have to configure manually. Why can't there be a graphical config interface where you try different modes, clicking Yes when you see the one you like, each mode temporarily showing for 10 seconds? Every other Linux distro has this problem licked! Configuring X has got to be easier! 3) Once I actually got to my KDE desktop, I was annoyed that there was no menu icon anywhere for launching mozilla (like in "Internet" in the menu), even though it's probably the most heavily used piece of Linux software of all time. There should also be an icon on the menu bar, beside Konqueror. Choice is good! There are other web browsers in the menu alongside Konqueror, why not Mozilla? 4) K3B, which is the best burning software ever, should have been installed by default under whatever task the package "grip" is under. This is a killer app, please include it by default!! Also, the K3B should also depend on the cdrdao package, but doesn't. Dustin Harriman annexia.ca -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
