On Wed, Oct 05, 2022 at 10:11:27PM +0200, Julien Cristau wrote: >On Sun, Oct 02, 2022 at 08:21:31PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: >> On Sun, Oct 02, 2022 at 11:08:47AM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: >> >On Sun, Oct 02, 2022 at 03:53:00PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: >> >> On Sun, Oct 02, 2022 at 04:43:47PM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: >> >> > What's the plan for upgraded systems with an existing >> >> > /etc/apt/sources.list. >> >> > Will the new n-f-f section added on upgrades automatically(if non-free >> >> > was >> >> > enabled before)? >> >> >> >> So this is the one bit that I don't think we currently have a good >> >> answer for. We've never had a specific script to run on upgrades (like >> >> Ubuntu do), so this kind of potentially breaking change doesn't really >> >> have an obvious place to be fixed. >> > >> >Is there a reason to not continue to make the packages available in >> >non-free? >> >I don't see a reason to force any change on existing systems. >> >> Two things: >> >> 1. I'm worried what bugs we might expose by having packages be in two >> components at once. >> 2. I really don't like the idea of leaving two different >> configurations in the wild; it'll confuse people and is more >> likely to cause issues in the future IMHO. >> >> Plus, as Shengjing Zhu points out: we already expect people to manage >> the sources.list anyway on upgrades. >> >I think in the absence of a release upgrade script (which I very much >doubt will happen, and be tested, and we can rely will be used, for >bookworm), Michael's suggestion seems like a reasonable way forward. I >imagine we'll need to patch dak to allow that, but it seems like it >should be tractable?
I'm also worried what effect this will have on other tools that have to grok the archive (mirror tools, debian-cd, etc.). I'm not going to try and veto having things in more than one component, but (ugh!) I really think it's ugly. Actually, I think I'd much prefer Santiago's idea: > Couldn't we handle this via transitional firware* non-free packages, > that depend on bookworm non-free-firmware packages? We'd need to add some transitional binary packages for the small number of n-f-f source packages. That way people would get errors from apt if they don't read our warnings and update. Maybe this is a way forward? -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK. st...@einval.com Armed with "Valor": "Centurion" represents quality of Discipline, Honor, Integrity and Loyalty. Now you don't have to be a Caesar to concord the digital world while feeling safe and proud.
