On Wed, May 12, 2021 at 07:53:24AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 05/10/2021 11:02 AM, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> > On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 10:00:01AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
> > > On 05/10/2021 09:32 AM, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> > > > On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 08:18:06AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
> > > > > Debian's goal might be described as providing "the most power to a 
> > > > > maximally
> > > > > diverse audience". My underlying problem is that it does that *TOO* 
> > > > > well.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I need two types of information that I doubt are documented anywhere 
> > > > > except
> > > > > in the source code.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I.  Text of error/cautionary messages.
> > > > >       Specifically, what is the _exact_ text of the message given 
> > > > > when the
> > > > >       operator chooses to install neither Grub nor LILO.
> > > > > II. Content of menus presented to the operator.
> > > > >       Early in the installation a list of optional auxiliary programs 
> > > > > is
> > > > >       presented. I don't recognize any of the names, but if I looked 
> > > > > them
> > > > >       up I might find something very useful.
> > > > 
> > > > Which image?
> > > > 
> > > > Which machine architecture?
> > > > 
> > > > Which intended boot method - Legacy/MBR or UEFI?
> > > > 
> > > > The nature of the message will be "bootloader not found" but it depends
> > > > very much on WHICH boot loader you don't install.
> > > > 
> > > > What sort of things in terms of optional auxiliary programs at which 
> > > > stage?
> > > > Bearing in mind that you can take screenshots from an installer in-a VM
> > > > have you tried this?
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > "If you like more flexibility or just want to know what's going on 
> > > > > ..."
> > > > >        Section 4.3.3  of "Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide"
> > > > > 
> > > > > TIA
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Andy C - seeking info from you, as ever :)
> > > 
> > > I've only used i386 and AMD64 installers.
> > > I asked to be directed to *SOURCE* code.
> > > 
> > 
> > debian-installer/packages/grub-installer/debian is your starting point
> 
> Using the MATE search tool I don't find such a directory.
> Is that a portion of a URL under debian.org?
> 
> > 
> > The templates file inside there gives you your questions and answers
> > 
> > grub-installer.templates is the file you need, I think.
> 
> What I'm looking for  would more likely be more toward the main program
> level.
> 
> Someone suggested running the installer under a VM to be able to grab an
> image of menus/messages of interest. I've never used a VM. Is there one
> recommended for a first time user? I have a machine dedicated to experiments
> so no valuable data is threatened.
> 
> 
> > [snip]
> 
That's from a git clone of debian-installer source code and a dig through.

It does depend what you want to do in a VM: you probably need a fair 
amount of memory. I quite like using virt-manager under a graphical 
environment - it's relatively easy to navigate. If you also have ovmf
installed, then you get UEFI.

I could potentially do this for you, if you really wanted.

All best,

Andy C.

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