On 11/4/19 12:06 PM, Holger Levsen wrote: > On Sun, Nov 03, 2019 at 11:27:07PM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: >> And I just saw the "argument". The argument was "It's 2018". That's not >> an argument. > > the longer form of the argument is: it's 2018 and except for 100 people > on this planet, noone is using floppies anymore.
Yes, and it's 2018 and except for a handful of people, no one is browsing the internet on a PC anymore. I don't see how this is an argument. > "cognitive strain" is another argument. 90% of the people installing a > computer today have no idea what a floppy (disk) is. (for those who > don't know, it's the icon for saving a file.) I don't really see the problem here. And I would like to see a source for that 90% claim. I don't think anyone who is able to install Debian using debian-installer doesn't know what a floppy is. Anyone who is capable of creating a bootable USB flash drive will absolutely know what a floppy is. I really have the impression that some people are trying with all force to smash out support for older architectures and hardware despite people still being there to maintain it. We have one of the most successful Bountysource campaigns for the m68k port [1] due to the still large interest of the community to work with the port. And yet we constantly have this argument about deprecating stuff "because it is too old", it's exhausting really. Debian is certainly not the distribution for Linux beginners so there is really no reason to pretend that such changes make any difference in user-friendlyness. If you really want to make a change that imposes a major roadblock for most users installing it would be including hardware firmware by default. Because that's it what you see people on internet forums complain about when installing Debian. I have never seen anyone claim "Hey, it says floppy here but I don't even have a floppy drive on my PC." Adrian > [1] > https://www.bountysource.com/issues/80706251-m68k-convert-the-backend-to-mode_cc-so-it-can-be-kept-in-future-releases -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de `- GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913
