On Sun, Jun 02, 2013 at 07:36:35PM +0100, Brian Potkin wrote: > On Fri 31 May 2013 at 15:11:50 -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote: > > > On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 3:06 PM, Cyril Brulebois wrote: > > > Michael Gilbert <mgilb...@debian.org> (31/05/2013): > > >> It would probably be good to get that discussion started early during > > >> this cycle to reduce the surprise factor. > > >> > > >> Since it was rather difficult to fit gnome onto 1 cd in wheezy (and I > > >> think some pieces were left off anyway), I think it makes sense now to > > >> start moving toward something like xfce as the default that's small, > > >> and mostly capable, and 4.10 (now making its way into unstable) brings > > >> much needed accessibility features. > > > > > > A somewhat related question is whether we're going to keep trying to > > > fit stuff onto CD#1, as opposed to moving to supporting various “USB > > > key sizes”. If I'm not mistaken, Steve has expressed such a wish (or > > > intent) during the last wheezy preparation steps. > > > > As a point of reference, I still have (and use every now and then) an > > old laptop that has a cd-rom but no dvd-rom, and its bios does not > > support usb booting. > > I have two desktops and a laptop (not all that old, five years) which do > not entertain booting from USB. So you learn to be resourceful. > > For Debian we have the hd-media kernel and initrd. grub-mkrescue will > make an iso with them and include a grub.cfg. iso-scan will find > whatever ISO you choose to put on another USB stick. I hope Debian will > continue to support those of us have such 'ancient' machines. > > Eventually, we are going to run out of ideas or patience with fitting a > useful GNOME, KDE etc on CD#1. Its a lost battle. This is the time for > innovation. Get it discussed and decided now and not two or three months > before the next release.
If gnome or KDE doesn't fit on the first CD, it makes no sense to pretend it does. Put something that *does* fit on the first CD. It's perfectly possible to put the packages for a viable Linux system on a single CD, but you'd need a desktop that takes less CD space. If someone wants to have gnome or KDE anyway, he's can acquire a second CD, or access the net after installing packages from the first CD, or use a DVD or USB key or something bigger. I'm not in favour of software bloat. Let those who are use the second CD or another installation medium. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130602192745.ga20...@topoi.pooq.com
