Am Sonntag 09 August 2009 13:42:37 schrieb Uwe Bugla: > Am Sonntag 09 August 2009 08:22:54 schrieb Christian Perrier: > > Quoting Uwe Bugla (uwe.bu...@gmx.de): > > > Hi everybody, > > Hello Christian, > > > > using the Debian testing installer from 4th August I stumbled over the > > > follwing bugs: > > > > > > 1. console-data is missing in the list of necessary dependencies when > > > you install the basic system: > > > The consequence is: > > > You are trapped if you owe a non-American keyboard with a qwertz > > > layout. That complicates the installation process enourmously instead > > > of simplifying it. > > > > We're in the middle of a transition to console-setup. console-data > > should not be needed anymore. Still, it's not expected that you end up > > with an unconfigured keymap layout. Does the installed system *have* > > console-setup installed? > > I did not find that out, so I guess the answer is "No"! > > > It should have picked up the settings you made, in D-I, for the keymap > > (in your case, I suspect you picked 'German') and, thus, you should > > have a working keyboard layout on the installed system. > > I have an unusable keyboard layout on the installed system, unfortunately. > After performing "apt-get install console-data" the keyboard layout is > usable, but without performing that step the usage is a big pain! > > > In any case, "dpkg-reconfigure console-setup" on the installed system > > should help. > > Sounds good, but is only helpful if you know that console-setup has been > installed or not. How can I find that out? > > I will set up a couple of other workstations and I will keep on trying..... > > > But, still, that has to be investigated as this is obviously a big > > regression. I'm not in position to do so, being half-dialup as of > > now. Hopefully, someone else will. > > > > In the meantime, it would be good to mention this in > > http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/ConsoleSetupSwitch > > > > (Again, I'm not in position to do that right now....will try to > > remember later when online) > > > > > 2. At the point where the keyboard is being adjusted to the UTF-8 > > > locale the script of the non-graphical installer (expert installation > > > chosen in that specific case) hangs up the whole installation process. > > > Only the graphical expert installation oversteps that installation step > > > successively. > > > > > > 3. This is quite an old bug, and I really wonder why noone complained > > > mentioning this one: > > > > > > It is impossible to set up a server / router with this installer > > > containing more than one NIC, no matter if you chose graphical or > > > non-graphical installer: > > > > > > In my personal example eth0 is connected to a highspeed modem. That's > > > why I chose automatic DHCP configuration for the first NIC. > > > Eth1 is configured staticallly by my own choice, that means DHCP with > > > fixed addresses for the server and the workstations. > > > > > > The installer is incapable to handle more than one NIC, which is a > > > mess! For my personal usage that means that I am forced to completely > > > ignore the second NIC during the installation process. When > > > installation is complete I am forced to reconfigure the whole network > > > part of my server / router manually, i. e. using an ordinary editor. > > > This state is quite insufficient and thus unacceptable. > > > > This is by design, in order to keep the installer simple to use and > > not confusing to less experienced users. So, by design, the only > > configured interface is the one that's used for the installation of > > the machine. > > > > Users who want to configure more than one interface are indeed > > expected to be able to do it after the install, by the usual methods. > > > > We really don't want to have *any* owner of a modern laptop (that has > > two NICs) to be prompted for the setting of his|her two interfaces. > > I cannot share that point of view: > My position: > > Your point of view is fully OK for a standard install, no matter if > console- based or graphical, adressing rookies and beginners. > > My point of view should fit for experienced users using the expert install, > no matter if graphical or console based. > But simplification in any case, and thus disregarding the different > installer levels with their different sophistication is a point of view or > guide line that I cannot and will not share at all... > > > > An additional menu point to adjust /etc/apt/sources.list to one's own > > > personal needs would be very helpful as a part of such an installer. > > > > Here again, this is much out of scope of the installer. It is left to > > the post-install polishing of the installed machine, when the > > machine's admin is supposed to be skilled enough to know how to do > > this. > > I prefare to avoid the usage of editors. Thus it would make sense to add an > additional point in the installer menu asking the user whether he wants to > perform a Debian Sid installation or rather one based on the testing branch > for which the installer was written: squeeze in this case. > > Installers are here to simplify necessary tasks, NOT to complicate them.... > > It's quite humble to say "We don't want this and we don't want that" or "We > expect the user to be qualified enough to ......". > > I would not define myself as subqualified. But I would highly prefer an > installer which is a bit more elegant and less buggy and complicated than > the current one. > Apart from that I do like Debian and I do recommend its usage to everyone > that is really open for Linux and open source. > > Big regards > > Uwe
Christian, here is an addition to my first answer: a. console-setup is NOT on board after the basic installation performed by the current Debian Sid installer, so there can't be any "dpkg-reconfigure console- setup" performed to readjust my keyboard in order to make it functionable. I need to install console-data, otherwise my keyboard layout is unusable - FACT! b. After the basic installation is finished you are asked whether you want UTC or local time. I always decide for local time, and thus I answer "NO". The consequence of that choice is another big pain caused by that rather crude installer: It corrects the BIOS clock by adding 2 hours. So if I want to avoid a wrong system time in order to receive a correct local time with "Berlin" as time zone I am forced to enter the BIOS at the first system start to readjust the inbuilt clock. The consequence of that is that at the next start fsck.ext3 will find a bad superblock in the root partition, thus being forced to repair the ext3 file system. So I need to restart the system for a third time after which it can repair the superblocks of the other partitions, give me a usable login prompt with an unusable keyboard layout, and thus (sigh!) enabling me to install mc (my favorite editor) and console-data (for keyboard adjustment). Quite harsh and utmost crude, that Debian Sid installer, isn't it? Regards Uwe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
