As co-maintaainer of the Linmodem-Howto, probably I can best help on drivers for winmodems, which are increasingly prevalent in new PCs and laptops. The drivers alone are in the 200-500 kB range. Support for the Lucent, HaM, and IBM mwave chipsets comes as compiler kits which additionally need ~1 mB kernel-header packages (though only essential headers could probably be cut out). Once the kernel-version of the release is fixed, will it suffice to provide compiled drivers, or are we Legally obligated to use the compiler kits with some proprietary binary components? This is a subsidiary nightmare that on some PC hardware, DIALTONE acquisition is still an unresolved problem. Very few Users have had an easy time with Conexant (formerly Rockwell) binary only drivers with support only upto 2.2.17? currently. For all Linux distributions, many Newbies are now getting the base installations OK on their $400 rebate PCs with WinModems, but it may take many rounds of email to the List [EMAIL PROTECTED], before they can abandon Microsoft for ppp communications. Additional, some IP services, Compuserve for one, do not support Linux dialups. For a backgrounder, glance at: http://walbran.org/sean/linux/linmodem-howto-all.html MarvS -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]