So? You don't need it that often. I don't get why you can't start up
X and run Synaptic, then switch to something under Wayland. There's
also some compatibility thing where you can run an X program in a
window under Wayland, don't remember what it's called.
I just ordered an Odroid N2, instead of a Pi 4.
On 7/9/19, Gene Heskett <ghesk...@shentel.net> wrote:
> On Tuesday 09 July 2019 11:37:17 Alan Corey wrote:
>
>> I thought it was possible to have both X and Wayland installed and
>> just start the one you want to use. Pretty sure I did that when I was
>> playing with Buster.
>
> I've no clue what they did, but after the update that tipped the nitrous
> can way high for video speeds, synaptic is running on buster, but only
> on the pi's own screen.
>
>> I can do
>> apt search
>> but then I have apt installed. There are several package management
>> tools. What I like Synaptic for besides the obvious is finding and
>> fixing broken packages. You can get in there and take out what's
>> causing the problem, if it doesn't do it from the menu. The package
>> tools work differently in that situation. I seem to get broken
>> packages a lot. apt isn't apt-get or aptitude or synaptic or wajig or
>> apt-cache or dpkg, but they probably all use the APT library.
>>
>> On 7/9/19, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton <l...@lkcl.net> wrote:
>> > (hi gene, hope you don't mind, i'm cc'ing the list back again, i
>> > assume you accidentally didn't hit "reply-to-all?" or that i did,
>> > if so, whoops...)
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 7:20 PM Gene Heskett <ghesk...@shentel.net>
> wrote:
>> >> On Monday 08 July 2019 08:37:14 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
>> >> > On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 12:55 PM Gene Heskett
>> >> > <ghesk...@shentel.net>
>> >>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > > yes it was, and no solution was offered that I read about. And
>> >> > > no, aptitude is not a replacement.
>> >> >
>> >> > used it once or twice, wasn't impressed, returned to apt-get and
>> >> > apt-cache search, which work extremely well, and have done since
>> >> > debian began.
>> >>
>> >> What I am trying to do is build a much newer, rt-preempt kernel for
>> >> buster on an armhf, aka a pi3b. After having configured it, I try
>> >> a "make" and in about a minute, am getting a missing openssl/bio.h
>> >> exit:
>> >>
>> >> pi@picnc:/media/pi/workpi120/buildbot/linux-5.1.14 $ make
>> >> HOSTCC scripts/extract-cert
>> >> scripts/extract-cert.c:21:10: fatal error: openssl/bio.h: No such
>> >> file or directory
>> >> #include <openssl/bio.h>
>> >> ^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> >> compilation terminated.
>> >> make[1]: *** [scripts/Makefile.host:92: scripts/extract-cert] Error
>> >> 1 make: *** [Makefile:1065: scripts] Error 2
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> not at all fam with apt-cache search, I have not found a bio.h
>> >> except in some obvious biology related programs. unrelated to
>> >> openssl IOW.
>> >>
>> >> The man page is so long I quickly lose track of all the options.
>> >>
>> >> So how would I state the search that will find it if it exists in
>> >> the repo's?
>> >
>> > there's a file search "thing" somewhere, for apt... it's a plugin
>> > (i think)... although i suspect you simply have the wrong version of
>> > openssl installed.
>> >
>> > ok so i do have /usr/include/openssl/bio.h (makes it easier if
>> > someone else has it....) and so i can find it with:
>> >
>> > $ grep bio.h /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list | grep openssl
>> >
>> > and that gives:
>> >
>> > /var/lib/dpkg/info/libssl-dev:amd64.list:/usr/include/openssl/bio.h
>> > /var/lib/dpkg/info/nodejs.list:/usr/include/node/openssl/bio.h
>> >
>> > shriieeeek wtf am i doiiing with nodejs installed, dieee nodejs,
>> > dieeeee sorry about that, adverse reaction to node.js
>> >
>> > ok so you'll need to do "apt-get install libssl-dev" and that
>> > *should* get you the missing openssl/bio.h file.
>> >
> Nope.
>
>> > if you run into any other difficulties with missing packages, try
>> > this:
>> >
>> > "apt-get build-dep linux-image-4.something.something"
>> >
>> > that will install *all* build dependencies for a *debian* kernel
>> > build process... which (warning) may be a little bit more than you
>> > bargained for, you'll have to review what it recommends to install
>> > before proceeding, ok?
>> >
>> > basically when doing a build of a package that's similar (or
>> > identical) to an existing debian one, the trick of installing
>> > *debian's* build dependencies for the same name uuusuuually does the
>> > trick of getting you everything you'll need to build that "vanilla"
>> > upstream {whatever}.
>> >
>> > problems come when debian sets different options from the default,
>> > and you can always inspect the debian/rules file for what they are.
>> >
>> >> My /e/a/sources.list:
>> >>
>> >> deb http://raspbian.raspberrypi.org/raspbian/ buster main contrib
>> >> non-free rpi
>> >> # Uncomment line below then 'apt-get update' to enable 'apt-get
>> >> source' deb-src http://raspbian.raspberrypi.org/raspbian/ buster
>> >> main contrib non-free rpi
>> >>
>> >> > never had *any* problems - at all - that weren't caused by
>> >> > doing something incredibly stupid such as "ctrl-c" in the middle
>> >> > of an installation (at the point where dpkg is being called), and
>> >> > even then, apt-get -f install in almost 100% of cases fixed the
>> >> > "problem that i had myself caused".
>> >> >
>> >> > really: if you ask me, relying on GUIs for something as
>> >> > mission-critical as installation of packages is asking for
>> >> > trouble.
>> >>
>> >> What the gui is good for is showing you the exact package name to
>> >> install or purge. Nothing else, however capable it might be, can
>> >> really replace the look and feel of a good gui. But I've been
>> >> corrected before. Teach me!
>> >>
>> > :)
>> >
>> > on-list is better (other people benefit too). these are what i
>> > use:
>> >
>> > for source stuff:
>> > * apt-get source {package} - gets the *source code* of a package
>> > * apt-get build-dep {package} - gets you the (full) build
>> > dependencies required to *make* a source package (with
>> > "dpkg-buildpackage)
>> >
>> > those are typically best done in a chroot, for safety.
>> >
>> >
>> > to find out which package has a file installed:
>> > * grep filename /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list
>> >
>> > general package installing process:
>> > * apt-cache search "keyword(s)"
>> > * apt-cache show {package} - usually pipe this into more (or less)
>> > * apt-get install {package} - just one.
>> > * apt-get --purge remove {package} - just one.
>> >
>> > these are [almost certainly] the commands that synaptics runs,
>> > behind-the-scenes. for me, GUIs just irritate me beyond belief,
>> > because they typically require moving hands off the keyboard and
>> > onto the mouse. i even use fvwm2 with "mouse-over equals
>> > window-focus" very deliberately to minimise clicks. this all because
>> > i have recurring bouts of RSI...
>> >
>> > hth.
>> >
>> > l.
>
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett
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