This is very good. A roadmap will keep them accountable. Thank you so much for 
your work.

> On Nov 10, 2019, at 9:29 AM, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL <jpmeng...@debian.org> 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Le 10/11/2019 à 15:23, Devin Prater a écrit :
>> Yes, this is true. I forget that she is the only active developer of Orca, 
>> sorry. I simply want the developer of Orca to be talking with the people 
>> that point fingers at Orca as the problem because <sarcasm>Obviously, screen 
>> readers are magic and can do things for blind people that transcend the GUI 
>> or something.</sarcasm>
> 
> That is what we will do on February. Joanie cannot do this alone. She has 
> been fighting with this people for a long, now we need to help her. On 
> February, we will meet GTK and Gnome guys for this. I hope we will be as 
> constructive as possible, with end-user point of view, technical point of 
> view, funding point of view, meeting foundation, devs, power users, advanced 
> ones, companies. It needs to result a roadmap, a better understanding of the 
> accessibility matter, etc
> 
> Regards
> 
> Best regards,
> 
>>> On Nov 10, 2019, at 5:40 AM, Samuel Thibault <sthiba...@debian.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Samuel Thibault, le dim. 10 nov. 2019 12:33:17 +0100, a ecrit:
>>>> Devin Prater, le dim. 10 nov. 2019 02:46:51 -0600, a ecrit:
>>>>> if GTK4 folks say it’s Orca’s fault, put an issue on Orca, and
>>>>> loop them all in, grab some popcorn, and watch them point fingers.
>>>> 
>>>> I don't think we want to make Joanmarie handle that.
>>> 
>>> (I meant make her have to handle that, i.e. she already has plenty of
>>> things to handle in Orca itself)
>>> 
>>> Samuel

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