List,
I'm an old speakup user who makes my living making accessible software for the blind for Windows and Mac. Recently I decided to see how well I could port my stack, primarily Python-based, over to a modern Debian machine to determine if it would be worthwhile to cut releases for all three platforms. Installation was fairly seamless, especially compared to the old Speakup + Braille N' Speak + Slackware days. I was able to install to a VMWare 9 virtual machine without any difficulty, someone has really gotten their act together when it comes to initial installation, especially with this fancy shmancy software speech. I performed a standard install, partitioned, selected packages, so on and so forth. I selected to install package categories 1, 3, 8, and 10... Debian Desktop environment, print server, ssh server and system utilities or whatever they're called. Basically the defaults. There was a time after selecting these categories that I received no feedback, and a less patient user may have terminated the process, but after waiting a good 15 minutes it gave me a percentage indicator. Installation was finally complete. I rebooted the vm, and wonder of wonders the thing came up blabbering at me! It took me a second to realize I needed to switch to the first TTY and whack numpad enter, but I soon made it shut up. I hit alt+f7 again to return to the gdm login window. I selected my user and was greeted with a password field. "Quite reasonable," I thought, while typing my password. "This Linux accessibility thing has gotten a lot better!" I pressed Return, waited a few seconds, and was greeted with the "Welcome to Orca message"
Then...
...Nothing
I waited.
Still nothing
I waited some more. About 5 minutes since initial login. Still no speech.
Hm. Okay, this is why I'm on a VM! So I popped out of the VM, fired up ssh and logged in to my new machine to see if I could see what the heck was going on. But wait! I have no idea where orca sticks logs, if it even uses syslog, or anything! What can I do? Well, I thought, perhaps Orca has somehow scuffed itself up and all I need do is restart it. So I issued killall orca from the shell. I reactivated my VM, hit alt+f2, typed orca, and wonder of wonders it came up for real this time! This ... is a problem. A huge, ugly disgusting problem that I hope can be rectified very hastily. I'm a Gnu/Linux user for more than a decade and more than ready to get in and monkey with stuff. But there is absolutely no excuse for having the first-run experience of a new user include switching shells, followed by killing their screen reader, followed by switching back and restarting it. This is absurd and untenable. You literally cannot have a more standard installation experience. I did nothing outside the norm, instead accepting all the defaults. I am somewhat frustrated. To me, myself a software developer, this experience points strongly at a culture which does not test or otherwise provide quality assurance for the code they produce. Surely a few people at least tried to do bare-metal installs on virtual machines at least for testing purposes? Let alone any actual unit/integration tests. Whatever the case, I strongly hope that this can be sorted out. As it stands, the best way I could describe it is shameful, jarringly so after the nearly-perfect installation experience. I welcome your thoughts on this, and offer myself and some of my time for trying to come up with and implement a solution.
    Thanks for your time,
        -Q







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                -Q

        http://q-continuum.net


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