also sprach Lucas Nussbaum <lu...@debian.org> [2015-08-25 17:13 +0200]: > That's just wrong.
I'm sorry, re-reading my last mail, I noticed I pointed a finger at you, which was not my intention, and I also don't really want to talk about the past. I've also made plenty of mistakes, especially regarding the budget approval process, and I hope we can face forward and try anew. By now, I am almost convinced that the root of the problem is in differing interpretations of the goals and priorities of DebConf orga (see footnote 1 further down). Some in our team think that our top-most priority should be to enable as many people as possible to attend our conference, meaning that we pay for as many as we can. But then this would mean that we cannot spend any money on anything until we paid for everyone's travel and stay. Not only would this reduce the conference to the bare essentials, I also think it would cause /less/ people to consider paying for themselves, sending us into a downward spiral. Instead, I think we should incentivise everyone who can to pay for their own stay, and encourage profs/corps to pay higher fees, so that we can use more money towards bringing people to the conference who could otherwise not go. To get there, I think we'll need to cater to those self-paying people, e.g. by providing thank-you-swag, and other excitements during the conference, like the conference dinner, entertainment, and other perks — none of which are exclusive to paying people, as we had agreed to make the swag also available for sale. Obviously, knowing that money gets used towards bringing people to the conference is also an incentive for some to pay for themselves and more, but probably not enough of an incentive for everyone. I still believe that a proper budgeting procedure will help us in solving this Gordian Knot, and ultimately allow us to bring more people to who could otherwise not afford it. Having a budget procedure would also help reduce last-minute stress and allow for lower prices to be negotiated (more time == more options == less cost). Budgeting is an iterative process during which a team asks for a certain budget and then the final amount gets negotiated. Once negotiated, the team can spend up to that amount of money — which does *not* mean it has to or will spend this money. For the bursaries team, this means gauging how much travel sponsorship they'll need/want to give. It's a lot easier to do this when you have actual numbers/requests in front of you, but before these numbers are ready, pretty much everything else depending on the budget needs to be put on hold. But it's possible to plan a budget even without these numbers, as no budget ever gets set in stone. Bursaries could claim e.g. 30k from the DC16 budget (or even more, it depends a lot on circumstances and the goal we're pursuing, see above). We then fix this, and all other positions in the budget, and everyone can get on with their work. If bursaries discover that they need more money to achieve our goal, they can ask the DPL for more. IMnsHO, we should strive towards having our first approved, highly conservative budget before this year ends. Highly conservative does mean that there might not be a band playing, or karaoke, that the day trip is mainly walking and the conference dinner might be reduced to a slightly more fancy dish at the venue, with linen table cloth, while the 30k travel sponsorship are fixed (if we consider this a priority). It's not difficult to imagine that this will also incentivise the team to gear up the fundraising, so that as the outlook improves on the funding situation, the budget can be grown a bit in all directions. It still won't mean that there'll be funds for all the cool stuff people want to do right away, but things keep coming into reach as the income situation improves. So how does the following process sound? 1. Bursaries (and all other teams for themselves) gauges the amount of money they'd like to have in their budget. This is difficult and will take a few iterations, especially since we're all new at this, so let's not wait too long… 2. We try to allocate budgeted funds in a sensible way, and get the result approved as the first budget. 3. Now the teams can work within the funds available and progress can be made on all fronts. While the income situation is unclear, some positions will be budgeted more conservatively than others, but things can keep moving, or at least it's clear what can and cannot be done while not enough funds have been raised. 4. When teams encounter that their needs are outside of budget, they apply for a budget extension. In the case of the day trip or entertainment, the answer might only be yes if the income situation allows for it (requests should be processed altogether at defined points in time). But in the case of e.g. video team or travel sponsorship needs, Debian funds might get allocated if the DC fundraising income does not provide for it. To give a simple example, yet one that I think will be all too real very soon: if we all agree that diversity outreach is a worthwhile goal, but not as important as travel sponsorship and video, then we'll probably allocate very little funds to it in the initial budget, say $500. But we've witnessed this year that outreach could really benefit from much of an earlier start than we managed for DC15 (this is not a stab at the outreach team, it was our fault for not communicating this). Yet, they won't get very far with $500 and the whole endeavour might only make sense if the budget gets bumped to $3000. In this case, the DPL could back up the endeavour with a promise of Debian funds ($2500 augmenting the budget). These need not necessarily be drawn, for if DC16 raises enough money themselves, the backup won't be needed. But having the backup means that the team can get started. The same probably also applies to travel sponsorship as we know we'll need to fly a certain bunch of people to DC16 anyway. Those funds could well be backed by Debian, easing the whole situation a bit. The point of budgeting is to avoid lines at the cash register, so to speak. If every team has to queue up in some order of priority and wait until everyone in front of them gets served, they are (a) losing time, and (b) might not get anything, in which case they lost more time even thinking about a task. A well-designed budget gives everyone something to work with, and when augmented by a clearly defined process on how to ask for more, it means that single teams won't need to block on the work of other teams, because funds aren't just made available serially. Does this sound like something we could try? -- .''`. martin f. krafft <madd...@debconf.org> @martinkrafft : :' : DebConf orga team `. `'` `- DebConf16: Cape Town: https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16 DebConf17 in your country? https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf17
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