Hi all! Since the can of worms has been opened, thanks Enrico and all hail Pandora, I hope I do not offend by reading this thread and the aforementioned Code. I will add my two copper pieces and hope I am being constructive.
I generally agree with the spirit and particulars of this discussion. I do not know if the changes to the Code have been made, but I noticed the part titled "What does that mean for me?". So now I list my grievances {-: - I always find it somewhat funny that "intolerance will not be tolerated". Now, don't get me wrong, I understand the intention, and sympathise with it, but it still gives me a bit of cognitive dissonance, and feel it can be improved on. I make no concrete suggestions, as this is a complex topic, and my ideas on it are half-formed at best. Still, if the intention is to foster tolerance, might it not be more congruent to show some? That does not mean ignoring a problem, a situation that is bound to turn into one, or one that may leave some participants feeling secretly offended. Maybe being proactive about it without being thin-skinned is a way resolve these situations without increasing alienation. Thoughts on this? - Coming back to the can of worms. I am personally off-put by the conflation of sex and violence in point 2 of the list. I am not saying that sex or sexual imagery belongs in the conference or that it doesn't. That is a whole 'nother can of worms. I am merely saying I do not like sex equated or shoved in the same box as violence. Moreover, I think it betrays the mindset of those who put it there. I feel so strongly about this that I would much prefer the obvious inefficiency of having two points which vary in that one word! - I feel the question of sexual imagery is related to the point about sexist jokes. I am definitely against sexist jokes, ie, jokes which demean any kind of sexuality or gender identity. What I mean is, it seems to me that some people consider the mere appearance of sex in some contexts as sexism. Here I disagree and see this as a clear-cut example of sex-negativity. Interestingly, it is those cultures which are sex-negative or mixed (sex-negative for children, but sex-positive for adults) that have an issue with mixing sex and childhood, not that I consider those 12 and older to be children, necessarily. - Finally, why is it that sex and violence are deemed inappropriate especially in visual form? Is talking about them, when not in a discriminatory or abusive fashion, perfectly alright? (I must again insist that I do not like to conflate the two, but that is already done in the Code, and their treatment seems to be symmetric.) Cheers!, and sorry for being a bit late on this. On 31 March 2015 at 13:10, Richard Hartmann <richih.mailingl...@gmail.com> wrote: > I missed a "by" in my draft. Can someone add it please? > > Richard > > Sent by mobile; excuse my brevity. > > > _______________________________________________ > Debconf-team mailing list > Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org > http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team > -- _______________________________________ Que las deidades del loto iluminen tu alma multicolor! Jergas _______________________________________ _______________________________________________ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team