Daniel Pocock dijo [Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 09:00:29AM +0100]: > > sigh - for me not taking more pictures of the nice spaces at Le Camp.
...Sigh indeed :( > The focus of these emails has only been on the 32 bed dorm (so it should > not be generalised to the rest of Le Camp): and I believe I am the only > one who has given a constructive suggestion, namely, removing 8 (or > more) of the beds to create spaces between the beds. So I think it is > wrong to suggest I am showing some kind of bias. I think my suggestion > is fair to all sides (and also fair to those people who will have to > sleep in the room, the people everybody seems to be forgetting here when > they draw a line in the sand and make ultimatums like "Le Camp or not in > Switzerland") Although you did suggest this suggestion, I do not think it is feasible — If you look at the furniture in that room, it is one big bed with many mattresses over it, next to one another. Yes, some *mattresses* can be taken away, but not *beds*. But, yes, I do think that, given we will be given access to setting up tents, we can leave the Huge Room as a last resort; quite probably it will never be fully packed. And having a, say, 16 people room, while still over the line for many, will surely be more acceptable than a 32 people room. > > The tent village of Balmers has tents of 24qm with 5 (or 6) small > > bunk-beds, > > plus 4(?) showers for the whole 100 people camping there. > > See my comment above - neither Le Camp or Interlaken is going to give > five star luxury in this price range. However, we don't have to use the > tent village, it can just be seen as an `overflow' solution. Well, we are not in a position to take a more expensive hotel as our main option. I think that, if we go to Interlaken, we will put all sponsored people in the tent village - And allow them to pay for something nicer if they prefer. So, yes, I do consider the tent village as our Interlaken base. > Interlaken also has a range of hotels for people willing to go beyond 25 > CHF/night budget. For about 40 CHF/night, you can go in the very new > looking hostel near the Interlaken Ost station. Le Camp offers no such > choice for the people who reject the 32 bed dorm. Right. However, this can also be seen in a different light. We always try to make DebConf great for everybody. And I hope we can make DC13 great for everybody as well. But we just *cannot* please everybody. There are always tradeoffs - In DC10 we were prejudiced against people who didn't (or couldn't) want to travel to the USA. In DC12 several people didn't want the hassle of going to a chaotic, hot country, and didn't attend. And probably in DC13 we will lose some people that are not willing to put up with lesser-quality lodging. We cannot be everything for everybody. Yes, there is this point that those people are the ones most likely to pay corporate/professional. We can *try* to include them, and weigh in alternative proposals (such as the one you have kindly worked on and are now promoting). But having a 3-star hotel cannot be a sine-qua-non for DebConf. > > That 32 people room at Le Camp is definitly not everybodys taste, and as > > such > > I dont think we should force people in there. But, doh, thats quite obvious > > if > > you ask me. (And eg Daniels comment that we need to fill it, before we can > > allow people to camp at Le Camp, does not reflect reality.) > > It is reality, just a French version of it: > > "Location éventuelle de tentes par DebConf 13. (Seulement si le nombre > de 300 personnes est dépassé) Nuites à incluire dans le decompte: CHF 10" > > That's what the contract says. Fill 300 beds before one tent is permitted Right. But remember that all contracts are just drafts until they are signed. If, as both the pro-LeCamp-swiss-team and Holger have repeatedly said, Mr. Pianaro and Le Camp's management are interested in having us there and provide what we need, this clause can be changed. I think from Holger's conversation we should not be required to assure >90% occupancy before the first tent is set. > > As much as I'd love to do GourmetConf, can we please stop with RumorConf? > > A photo is not a rumor But an interpretation of it clearly is. _______________________________________________ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
