Hi Harald,

Paul commits also to the github repo and as he also get's the
pullrequests from there I suggest you focus on that repo, they are
actually the same.

I need to check that out, maybe tonisgh but otherwise tomorrow. I'm
releasing some part of my cluster upgrade here and need to get back to
mail as well and already tested some parts as I need to some "fancy"
sender_bcc_reply so I can take this directly.

If I'm right I can remember this from the end of 2013 and I thought
Paul got it fixed already by than, you can lookup the mailinglist for
it around november that year. I had something with that user also.

Don't lose faith, Paul is around :)

Cheers,

Matt



2016-03-20 19:34 GMT+01:00 Reindl Harald <h.rei...@thelounge.net>:
>
>
> Am 20.03.2016 um 19:25 schrieb Matt.:
>>
>> It's very easy to add a issue @ github, pleasse try to keep issues
>> there also as it's a very good repo. I'm an SVN guy also but I love
>> their site and it's very clear!
>
>
> sorry, my primary repo is http://git.dbmail.eu/paul/dbmail as i have in the
> hundrets of hours trying to help debug dbmail built infrastructure around it
>
>> Why is there a dovecot proxy in front ? does it also happen when it's
>> not in front ?
>
>
> because dbmail has proven to be very unstable when it comes to TLS in the
> past, as the servers was installed did not support TLS or anything but plain
> login at all and docevot solves all that problems while at the sam etime
> offer a unified SASL-layer for postfix offering the same encryption and
> auth-methods for POP3/IMAP and SMTP
>
> when you look at the errors the question "does it also happen when it's not
> in front?" superfluous becaus ewhat happens here MUST NEVER happen at all,
> store partly messages and not able to cleanup themself with dbmail-util is a
> nogo
>
> please take a look at the start of this thread especially at "in fact all
> this "messages" are in mailbox_idnr 2 / owner_idnr 1 which is
> "__@!internal_delivery_user!@__" and so *why* is that not cleaned up when
> whatever client operation fails?"
>
>
>> 2016-03-20 19:16 GMT+01:00 Reindl Harald <h.rei...@thelounge.net>:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 20.03.2016 um 19:11 schrieb Matt.:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Harald,
>>>>
>>>> I didn't see your issue earlier, sorry for that. Don't you post @
>>>> github issues ?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> no - sorry, i hate github
>>>
>>>> Did this never happened before and can how high is your logging at the
>>>> moment ?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> not that often as now
>>>
>>> dbmail-3.1.17-3.fc23.20160319.rh.2874f497fb429ed139e94342ca1c84325b20b3f1.x86_64
>>>
>>> syslog_logging_levels = 31
>>>
>>> in other words - dbmail logging is nearly disabled since there is a
>>> dovecot
>>> proxy in front
>>>
>>>
>>> Mar 20 18:27:46 caladan dbmail/imap4d[1194]: Error:[message]
>>> dbmail_message_cache_headers(+1324): self->content is not a message
>>> Mar 20 18:27:46 caladan dbmail/imap4d[1194]: Error:[message]
>>> dbmail_message_cache_headers(+1324): self->content is not a message
>>> Mar 20 18:27:46 caladan dbmail/imap4d[1194]: Error:[message]
>>> dbmail_message_cache_headers(+1324): self->content is not a message
>>> Mar 20 18:27:46 caladan dbmail/imap4d[1194]: Error:[message]
>>> dbmail_message_cache_headers(+1324): self->content is not a message
>>> Mar 20 18:27:46 caladan dbmail/imap4d[1194]: Error:[message]
>>> dbmail_message_cache_headers(+1324): self->content is not a message
>>> Mar 20 18:27:46 caladan dbmail/imap4d[1194]: Error:[message]
>>> dbmail_message_cache_headers(+1324): self->content is not a message
>>> Mar 20 18:27:46 caladan dbmail/imap4d[1194]: Error:[message]
>>> dbmail_message_cache_headers(+1324): self->content is not a message
>>> Mar 20 18:27:46 caladan dbmail/imap4d[1194]: Error:[message]
>>> dbmail_message_cache_headers(+1324): self->content is not a message
>>> Mar 20 18:27:46 caladan dbmail/imap4d[1194]: Error:[message]
>>> dbmail_message_cache_headers(+1324): self->content is not a message
>>> Mar 20 18:27:46 caladan dbmail/imap4d[1194]: Error:[imap]
>>> _ic_append_enter(+1316): [0x55cd52aa79a0] error appending msg
>>> _________________________
>>>
>>> one problem is that this errors just don't go away and i don't understand
>>> why that broken stuff is inserted for the temp-user and never cleaned up
>>>
>>> Mar 20 19:15:36 caladan dbmail/maintenance[22304]: Warning:[db]
>>> db_set_headercache(+1617): error caching headers for physmessage:
>>> [853200]
>>> Mar 20 19:15:36 caladan dbmail/maintenance[22304]: Warning:[db]
>>> db_set_headercache(+1617): error caching headers for physmessage:
>>> [853199]
>>> Mar 20 19:15:36 caladan dbmail/maintenance[22304]: Warning:[db]
>>> db_set_headercache(+1617): error caching headers for physmessage:
>>> [853197]
>>> Mar 20 19:15:36 caladan dbmail/maintenance[22304]: Warning:[db]
>>> db_set_headercache(+1617): error caching headers for physmessage:
>>> [853196]
>>> Mar 20 19:15:36 caladan dbmail/maintenance[22304]: Warning:[db]
>>> db_set_headercache(+1617): error caching headers for physmessage:
>>> [853195]
>>> Mar 20 19:15:36 caladan dbmail/maintenance[22304]: Warning:[db]
>>> db_set_headercache(+1617): error caching headers for physmessage:
>>> [853194]
>>> Mar 20 19:15:36 caladan dbmail/maintenance[22304]: Warning:[db]
>>> db_set_headercache(+1617): error caching headers for physmessage:
>>> [853193]
>>> Mar 20 19:15:36 caladan dbmail/maintenance[22304]: Warning:[db]
>>> db_set_headercache(+1617): error caching headers for physmessage:
>>> [853192]
>>>
>>> Ok. Found [1915] missing envelope values.
>>>
>>> ..................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................
 ..
>
>
>>   ...
>>>
>>>
>>> ....................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................
>>> Repairing DBMAIL for cached header values...
>>> Ok. Found [1915] un-cached physmessages.
>>>
>>> EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
 EE
>
>
>>   EEE
>>>
>>>
>>> EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> 2016-03-20 15:17 GMT+01:00 Reindl Harald <h.rei...@thelounge.net>:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> can dbmail at least get a patch to mention the *user* which triggers
>>>>> that
>>>>> bug?
>>>>>
>>>>> Mar 20 15:13:39 caladan dbmail/imap4d[1194]: Error:[message]
>>>>> dbmail_message_cache_headers(+1324): self->content is not a message
>>>>> Mar 20 15:13:39 caladan dbmail/imap4d[1194]: Error:[message]
>>>>> dbmail_message_cache_headers(+1324): self->content is not a message
>>>>> Mar 20 15:13:39 caladan dbmail/imap4d[1194]: Error:[message]
>>>>> dbmail_message_cache_headers(+1324): self->content is not a message
>>>>> Mar 20 15:13:39 caladan dbmail/imap4d[1194]: Error:[message]
>>>>> dbmail_message_cache_headers(+1324): self->content is not a message
>>>>> Mar 20 15:13:39 caladan dbmail/imap4d[1194]: Error:[message]
>>>>> dbmail_message_cache_headers(+1324): self->content is not a message
>>>>> Mar 20 15:13:39 caladan dbmail/imap4d[1194]: Error:[message]
>>>>> dbmail_message_cache_headers(+1324): self->content is not a message
>>>>> Mar 20 15:13:39 caladan dbmail/imap4d[1194]: Error:[message]
>>>>> dbmail_message_cache_headers(+1324): self->content is not a message
>>>>> Mar 20 15:13:39 caladan dbmail/imap4d[1194]: Error:[message]
>>>>> dbmail_message_cache_headers(+1324): self->content is not a message
>>>>> Mar 20 15:13:39 caladan dbmail/imap4d[1194]: Error:[message]
>>>>> dbmail_message_cache_headers(+1324): self->content is not a message
>>>>> Mar 20 15:13:39 caladan dbmail/imap4d[1194]: Error:[imap]
>>>>> _ic_append_enter(+1316): [0x55cd52bfaf70] error appending msg
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 15.03.2016 um 01:41 schrieb Reindl Harald:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> that's not funny, grwing and not redueable without handmade scripts
>>>>>> thowing away anything owned by user_idnr 2 which should be the job of
>>>>>> dbmail-util (and is prone for race-conditions that way) as last
>>>>>> ressort
>>>>>> (normally it should be cleaned automatically)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Found [890] un-cached physmessages.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maintenance done. Errors were found and fixed.
>>>>>> We suggest running dbmail-util again to confirm that all errors were
>>>>>> repaired.
>>>>>> Ok. Found [890] missing envelope values.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 10.03.2016 um 16:37 schrieb Reindl Harald:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> in fact all this "messages" are in mailbox_idnr 2 / owner_idnr 1
>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>> is "__@!internal_delivery_user!@__" and so *why* is that not cleaned
>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>> when whatever client operation fails?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> looks like a partial delivery
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Am 10.03.2016 um 16:33 schrieb Reindl Harald:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> dbmail-3.1.17 with latest fixes
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> what's that for new stuff below flooding our server?
>>>>>>>> looks like some crazy client is trying to save drafts or something
>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>> that, however, the result is that the number of this errors grows
>>>>>>>> day
>>>>>>>> for day with each dbmail-util run
>>>>>>>> ___________________________________________________________
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mar 10 16:28:13 caladan dbmail/maintenance[14421]: Error:[message]
>>>>>>>> dbmail_message_cache_envelope(+1844): SQLException: Column
>>>>>>>> 'envelope'
>>>>>>>> cannot be null
>>>>>>>> Mar 10 16:28:13 caladan dbmail/maintenance[14421]: Error:[message]
>>>>>>>> dbmail_message_cache_envelope(+1846): insert envelope failed
>>>>>>>> [(null)]
>>>>>>>> Mar 10 16:28:13 caladan dbmail/maintenance[14421]: Error:[message]
>>>>>>>> dbmail_message_cache_envelope(+1844): SQLException: Column
>>>>>>>> 'envelope'
>>>>>>>> cannot be null
>>>>>>>> Mar 10 16:28:13 caladan dbmail/maintenance[14421]: Error:[message]
>>>>>>>> dbmail_message_cache_envelope(+1846): insert envelope failed
>>>>>>>> [(null)]
>>>>>>>> Mar 10 16:28:13 caladan dbmail/maintenance[14421]: Error:[message]
>>>>>>>> dbmail_message_cache_headers(+1324): self->content is not a message
>>>>>>>> Mar 10 16:28:13 caladan dbmail/maintenance[14421]: Warning:[db]
>>>>>>>> db_set_headercache(+1617): error caching headers for physmessage:
>>>>>>>> [853193]
>>>>>>>> Mar 10 16:28:13 caladan dbmail/maintenance[14421]: Error:[message]
>>>>>>>> dbmail_message_cache_headers(+1324): self->content is not a message
>>>>>>>> Mar 10 16:28:13 caladan dbmail/maintenance[14421]: Warning:[db]
>>>>>>>> db_set_headercache(+1617): error caching headers for physmessage:
>>>>>>>> [853192]
>>>>>>>> Mar 10 16:28:14 caladan dbmail/maintenance[14423]: Error:[message]
>>>>>>>> dbmail_message_cache_envelope(+1844): SQLException: Column
>>>>>>>> 'envelope'
>>>>>>>> cannot be null
>>>>>>>> Mar 10 16:28:14 caladan dbmail/maintenance[14423]: Error:[message]
>>>>>>>> dbmail_message_cache_envelope(+1846): insert envelope failed
>>>>>>>> [(null)]
>>>>>>>> Mar 10 16:28:14 caladan dbmail/maintenance[14423]: Error:[message]
>>>>>>>> dbmail_message_cache_envelope(+1844): SQLException: Column
>>>>>>>> 'envelope'
>>>>>>>> cannot be null
>>>>>>>> Mar 10 16:28:14 caladan dbmail/maintenance[14423]: Error:[message]
>>>>>>>> dbmail_message_cache_envelope(+1846): insert envelope failed
>>>>>>>> [(null)]
>>>>>>>> Mar 10 16:28:14 caladan dbmail/maintenance[14423]: Error:[message]
>>>>>>>> dbmail_message_cache_headers(+1324): self->content is not a message
>>>>>>>> Mar 10 16:28:14 caladan dbmail/maintenance[14423]: Warning:[db]
>>>>>>>> db_set_headercache(+1617): error caching headers for physmessage:
>>>>>>>> [853193]
>>>>>>>> Mar 10 16:28:14 caladan dbmail/maintenance[14423]: Error:[message]
>>>>>>>> dbmail_message_cache_headers(+1324): self->content is not a message
>>>>>>>> Mar 10 16:28:14 caladan dbmail/maintenance[14423]: Warning:[db]
>>>>>>>> db_set_headercache(+1617): error caching headers for physmessage:
>>>>>>>> [853192]
>>>>>>>> Mar 10 16:28:14 caladan dbmail/maintenance[14425]: Error:[message]
>>>>>>>> dbmail_message_cache_envelope(+1844): SQLException: Column
>>>>>>>> 'envelope'
>>>>>>>> cannot be null
>>>>>>>> Mar 10 16:28:14 caladan dbmail/maintenance[14425]: Error:[message]
>>>>>>>> dbmail_message_cache_envelope(+1846): insert envelope failed
>>>>>>>> [(null)]
>>>>>>>> Mar 10 16:28:14 caladan dbmail/maintenance[14425]: Error:[message]
>>>>>>>> dbmail_message_cache_envelope(+1844): SQLException: Column
>>>>>>>> 'envelope'
>>>>>>>> cannot be null
>>>>>>>> Mar 10 16:28:14 caladan dbmail/maintenance[14425]: Error:[message]
>>>>>>>> dbmail_message_cache_envelope(+1846): insert envelope failed
>>>>>>>> [(null)]
>>>>>>>> Mar 10 16:28:14 caladan dbmail/maintenance[14425]: Error:[message]
>>>>>>>> dbmail_message_cache_headers(+1324): self->content is not a message
>>>>>>>> Mar 10 16:28:14 caladan dbmail/maintenance[14425]: Warning:[db]
>>>>>>>> db_set_headercache(+1617): error caching headers for physmessage:
>>>>>>>> [853193]
>>>>>>>> Mar 10 16:28:14 caladan dbmail/maintenance[14425]: Error:[message]
>>>>>>>> dbmail_message_cache_headers(+1324): self->content is not a message
>>>>>>>> Mar 10 16:28:14 caladan dbmail/maintenance[14425]: Warning:[db]
>>>>>>>> db_set_headercache(+1617): error caching headers for physmessage:
>>>>>>>> [853192]
>>>>>>>> ___________________________________________________________
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mar 10 16:29:20 caladan dbmail/imap4d[1128]: Error:[message]
>>>>>>>> dbmail_message_cache_headers(+1324): self->content is not a message
>>>>>>>> Mar 10 16:29:20 caladan dbmail/imap4d[1128]: Error:[message]
>>>>>>>> dbmail_message_cache_headers(+1324): self->content is not a message
>>>>>>>> Mar 10 16:29:20 caladan dbmail/imap4d[1128]: Error:[message]
>>>>>>>> dbmail_message_cache_headers(+1324): self->content is not a message
>>>>>>>> Mar 10 16:29:20 caladan dbmail/imap4d[1128]: Error:[message]
>>>>>>>> dbmail_message_cache_headers(+1324): self->content is not a message
>>>>>>>> Mar 10 16:29:20 caladan dbmail/imap4d[1128]: Error:[message]
>>>>>>>> dbmail_message_cache_headers(+1324): self->content is not a message
>>>>>>>> Mar 10 16:29:20 caladan dbmail/imap4d[1128]: Error:[message]
>>>>>>>> dbmail_message_cache_headers(+1324): self->content is not a message
>>>>>>>> Mar 10 16:29:20 caladan dbmail/imap4d[1128]: Error:[message]
>>>>>>>> dbmail_message_cache_headers(+1324): self->content is not a message
>>>>>>>> Mar 10 16:29:20 caladan dbmail/imap4d[1128]: Error:[message]
>>>>>>>> dbmail_message_cache_headers(+1324): self->content is not a message
>>>>>>>> Mar 10 16:29:20 caladan dbmail/imap4d[1128]: Error:[message]
>>>>>>>> dbmail_message_cache_headers(+1324): self->content is not a message
>>>>>>>> Mar 10 16:29:20 caladan dbmail/imap4d[1128]: Error:[imap]
>>>>>>>> _ic_append_enter(+1316): [0x55dce60f65b0] error appending msg
>
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