Hi I agree with Nikhil on many areas including the outsized impact this virus has had on our society. I say outsized, because the number of deaths due to COVID is far lower than the number of deaths due to road accidents in India (~1290 / day pre pandemic).
There has been a complete breakdown in how daily life has progressed during this time and the fragility of our social systems, administration has come out in stark contrast. Collecting stories of survivors, from families of the deceased and from the average person documenting the impact of this pandemic on everyday life might be of significant importance in the future. Regards, Sarabjeet On Mon, Aug 17, 2020 at 9:52 AM Nikhil VJ <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, > > The hard way, but also the easy way, may be to collect data from people > themselves, with all the obvious disclaimers brought in. > Towards that, setting up a data collection site might be a good prospect. > There, relatives of the deceased who *want* their stories to be shared in > the hopes it may help others, can post and declare what they're sharing it > as open data. > > Additionally, I'd also really like to see data collection from Covid-19 > survivors. Particularly, what helped in their case, in whatever level of > detail they want to share. > > There has been too much dirtying of the waters by official orgs. WHO is, > I'm very sorry, not the most reliable source. The unipolar credibility > worldview that has been adopted by us has been to our collective detriment. > Whether lockdowns worked at all or not is under question because places > that didn't impose strict lockdowns like Sweden, Japan, South Dakota > haven't turned into giant body-piles (and no, I will not accept an A-to-B > numbers comparison - the rationale for lockdowns was that if not, we will > have mass die-offs. So I will evaluate the effectiveness of lockdowns only > on whether the non-lockdown place has bodies piling up or not as originally > claimed. Anything else - doesn't justify forced lockdowns that we knew > going in will kill a lot of people too and irreparably push entire > generations into poverty and leave a lot more people without the resources > to protect themselves from the disease). Hospitals and agencies that have > been given incentives to report as many Covid-19 cases and deaths as > possible, have, predictably and unfortunately, done what were incentivised > to do. And data visualization folks have, I'm sorry again, gone in for > numbers orgy and it's feeling sick now. > > There have been cases in other countries of people dying from motor > accidents or gunshot wounds being marked as Covid-19 deaths, of > official govt bodies having to retract and downgrade their own > published figures after scandals erupted. There have been nurses speaking > out about patients being put on wrong treatments that aggravated their > conditions and no relatives being around them to stop it. There have been > medical practitioners with equal or more experise than those on the > authority side, and with actual success track records in treating covid-19 > patients, questioning official policies. Instead of addressing the concerns > raised, the tech giants have gone into full-on Church-vs-Galileo mode and > exponentially increased the collective distrust by proactively censoring > anyone daring to diverge from what CNN believes to be true. I would frankly > trust authorities more when they earn my trust than when they dictate it. > > If we want to help in even reducing the trust deficit and encourage > alienated people to begin trusting official authorities again, I think > qualitative voluntary data collection from kin of deceased and from > survivors will be important. So that the anecdotes build up confirm the > official line. And if they don't, well, it may help make sure we have > better official sources later on. > > -- > Cheers, > Nikhil VJ > https://nikhilvj.co.in > > > On Mon, Aug 17, 2020 at 1:14 AM Thejesh GN <[email protected]> wrote: > >> May be RTI? >> >> Regards, >> Thej >> >> Thejesh GN ⏚ ತೇಜೇಶ್ ಜಿ.ಎನ್ >> http://thejeshgn.com >> >> On Mon, 17 Aug, 2020, 1:00 AM Hemant Desai, <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Some records are necessary. However in absence of official >>> communication, where can such data be sourced from. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, 16 Aug, 2020, 2:19 PM Thejesh GN, <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear All, >>>> >>>> 49k+ people are dead due to COVID19 in India, no one knows who they >>>> are. In a year we will forget their stories and it will be just one single >>>> number. I was wondering if we can collect >>>> >>>> >>>> Date of death >>>> State >>>> District >>>> Gender >>>> Age >>>> Name (not sure of this, due to privacy. We can discuss) >>>> Reference link >>>> >>>> - So that we have enough data to analyse >>>> - They are recorded publicly just like deaths of soldiers in war or >>>> attacks >>>> >>>> >>>> Deaths and births are usually public documents. But i don't see MoHFW >>>> publishing this data. Do you have any idea how to go about? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Thej >>>> >>>> Thejesh GN ⏚ ತೇಜೇಶ್ ಜಿ.ಎನ್ >>>> http://thejeshgn.com >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Datameet is a community of Data Science enthusiasts in India. 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