On Fri, Mar 07, 2003 at 07:44:44PM -0500, Declan McCullagh wrote:On Fri, Mar 07, 2003 at 11:20:39AM -0500, Tyler Durden wrote:First of all, stating one perhaps should have the right to wear whatever
T-shirt you want in a mall
The better way to frame the question: May a private property owner legally exclude people from it? Seems to me the answer should be, as a general rule, yes.
Absolutely yes, except for the fact that malls have invited the public in, so
once you've done that, it's pretty hard to exclude some portion of it.
Did I "invite the public in" when an announcement was made for a meeting at my house last September? There were many people I had never met personally, nor even heard of.
Nearly all were well-behaved, but what if someone had not been? Were my property rights somehow lost by the fact that I had many to attend that I did not know personally? Could somehow who disrupted the meeting, perhaps even by wearing a "Support the War Against Crypto" or "Buy Alcohol Detectors for Your Car" tee-shirts, have claimed that they had some "right" to remain in my house even after I asked them to leave?
Does my right to control my own property vanish when I become a shop or restaurant? How about when I get larger?
Some of the Eurotrash-style "social democrats" here seem to think so.
Plus the
whole other issue of whether the malls aren't partially owned by the public. If
they've used eminent domain and TIF money, they're not privately owned, at least
until they finish paying it off.
This is a camel's nose in the tent argument for government intrusion into nearly every aspect of life, as nearly everyone gets some benefit (loosely described, as they are not net benefits) from government-supported roads, utilities, services, energy, etc.
I hear socialists claiming every day that "the community" has a "right" to vote to keep out Borders Books on the grounds that all businesses enjoy the use of taxpayer-paid city streets, city power, and so on.
Oh, and the local Borders routinely deals with issues of kicking out those who enter the store wearing disruptive shirts, even wearing no shirts (as when the topless lesbians arrive to protest capitalism).
There's also the issue of corporations not having any civil rights in the
first place, so I'm not even sure they really have, or should have, property
rights, in the same way that individuals do.
Silly person, a property does not have rights. Owners have rights. And these apply whether one person, 5 persons, or a group of co-owners own something.
Nearly every time I read your posts, I think "What is he or she doing on this list?" Same for "Tyler Durden" and several of the other social democrats here.
You need to find some Green Party, anti-globalization, lesbo-pagan, registration of crypto mailing list that has your kind on it.
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