Corinna Vinschen wrote:
[JA wrote:]
Thank you very much for this fix. It will make life easier for all of
us who struggle with a mix of native and Cygwin tools. It is very much
appreciated that as far as line endings are concerned the attitude
taken by Cygwin developers is not "use POSIX line endings".
Sorry, but that's not why I did it. My personal opinion is still
strongly on the "use POSIX line endings" side.
Too bad.
I made the fix only so that other mailing lists don't suffer
This is a strange reason for changing sed's functional behaviour, but since
I like the outcome I won't complain. :-)
CRLF lineendings are in the top 10 of the worst ideas in the OS
business.
I agree 100%, and I also agree that DOS path names were a horrendous idea
too, but neither of these questions are at issue here.
and I'm seriously contemplating (for years) to just remove textmode
from Cygwin.
This is where I disagree completely. From "CRLF was a bad idea" does not
follow "hence we should not support it". This would just be sticking your
head in the sand. Bad idea or not, you, or rather a text processing tool
like sed, cannot avoid being faced by millions of documents that use CRLF
and a few with Mac line endings too. The realization that it was a bad idea
does not make these go away.
The only realistic approach here, and more so with line endings than with
the path name issue, is that taken by XML (about which I usually have no
good word to say):
2.11 End-of-Line Handling
XML parsed entities are often stored in computer files which, for editing
convenience, are organized into lines. These lines are typically separated
by some combination of the characters carriage-return (#xD) and line-feed
(#xA).
To simplify the tasks of applications, the characters passed to an
application by the XML processor must be as if the XML processor
normalized all line breaks in external parsed entities (including the
document entity) on input, before parsing, by translating both the
two-character sequence #xD #xA and any #xD that is not followed by #xA
to a single #xA character.
With respect to "text mode" don't forget that this is also part of the ISO
standard for C and C++, although those standards don't go as far as XML does.
Another way to look at the issue: You can definitely always blame the whole
mess on those who started the whole CRLF thing and I'm all on your side,
but users of your tools will have to muddle through this mess one way or
another. You can make it easier for your users by making the tools tolerate
inputs that are affected by the mess that exists in real life, or you can
make it difficult. If you take the latter route people will gravitate
toward other tools in the long run. Cygwin has become as popular as it is
because it helped get the job done, where the job is dealing with a mixed
environment (POSIX-like behaviour in a non-POSIX environment).
Joachim
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