On 2007/08/25 14:20 (GMT+0300) Jukka K. Korpela apparently typed:

> On Fri, 24 Aug 2007, Felix Miata wrote:

>> In Konqueror and all versions of IE, monospace (PRE) is the same size as 
>> proportional.

> No, on IE, the default font size of pre elements, as well as tt, code, 
> kbd, and sample elements,

You caught me being sloppy. The post I replied to referred to PRE, and not
monospace explicitly. I equated monospace to PRE, inexplicably like so many
others as a member of the group you defined in your last paragraph. I had
long wondered but never figured out why Gecko and Safari have separate
default font settings for monospace.

In any event, without the erroneous equation, IE does default its monospace
to the same 12pt size as for proportional.

> is about 90% of the basic font size.

It's actually 83.3%, as those elements render at 10pt on a default of 12pt.
http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/auth/Font/fonts-face-samplesM.html#monoelem

> Things _look_ different, since typical monospace fonts have large letters: 

"Large" is a relative term. The most familiar monospace fonts have apparently
larger lower case letters than TNR, and larger even than Verdana, but the
numerals are smaller than Verdana's, while the upper case letters are
apparently smaller than both TNR and Verdana.

Note the M$ Vista monospace font Consolas is smaller than traditional
monospace fonts, similar in apparent size to TNR. In fact, all the Vista
fonts are closer together in apparent size than the traditional M$ web fonts.

> they are about the same size as letters in Times New Roman with the same 
> font size. This probably explains the default reduction in font size.

> But you can easily see the effect by setting
> * { font-family: Courier New }
> and comparing pre element content with other content.

> To confuse us, IE drops the font size reduction if font size is set for 
> the body element - even when it is set to 100%. This explains why many 
> people haven't noticed the effect.

Enlightening. Maybe most people. What proportion of CSS authors set no
font-size on body? Probably well under half, maybe more like under 10%, all
of whom without explicitly doing more on them are eliminating IE's font-size
reduction from default on those 5 elements.
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