even with a single browser I don't think it is a very clear task to get a
simple layout such as the one I was trying to put together. Even just using
FF.

I see many pieces of my layout discussed on various web sites: 

- how to do 3 cols with one expanding in width as needed
- how to make a footer stick to bottom
- how to make internal col section stretch vertically while other columns
follow

but any time I try to put more than one of these techniques together to get
a "real" layout:

- that has header, body, footer
- all split into 3 sections
- each of which has different portions to expand vert/horiz
- and page fill vert/horiz

one of the techniques ends up breaking the others - I don't REALLY care
about browser compatibility - I can have server load different CSS based on
client's browser - but even with more std compliant browser like FF 1.5 I
see a slew of "tricks" like: 

- set min-heights on certain sections, fixed height or percentage on others
- have various images to fill space and give borders since borders will only
follow real content and not vertically stretched cols
- set margins that are off the page
- and other things that seem even less intuitive

and even then.. I can't get what I want.

I have come across a couple web sites where people (with far more CSS
knowledge than myself) have attempted to put together a "real layout".. but
have given up.

when is someone going to develop the tool (like dreamweaver; but that
actually works) that is CSS based rather than table based - where I can
simply draw what I want; and say which regions I want to be fixed or
expanded; and what backgrounds, borders, layers, etc I want - and have it
spit out CSS that I can just add content to. 

ahhhh.. someday....


Peter Lindstrom
All Analog - Technical Design Consulting
Ottawa, ON
Voice:  613-612-1419
Email:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web:    www.allanalog.com  
 
::-----Original Message-----
::From: Roger Roelofs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
::Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 7:23 AM
::To: css-d css-d
::Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
::Subject: Re: [css-d] vertical stretch .. just can't get it
::
::Peter,
::
::On Feb 7, 2006, at 1:37 AM, Peter Lindstrom wrote:
::
::> why can't I just have:
::> ...
::> and define my width, background colors, images etc per div as I see
::> fit.
::> pretty sure it doesn't really need to be this difficult.
::
::If it weren't for old browsers (like ie6/win) you could.  And, you are
::right, it shouldn't have to be this difficult.  Unfortunately we have a
::somewhat non-standards-compliant browser with major market share that
::we must code around.
::--
::Roger Roelofs
::"Remember, if you’re headed in the wrong direction,
::      God allows U-turns!"
::        ~Allison Gappa Bottke

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