The areas I would argue that Zero-Knowledge does provide more security that Nym.Alias.Net are the following, 1) Multiple protocols (HTTP;IRC;SSH;Web;NNTP) allow for stronger privacy infrastructure as opposed to privacy on a single protocol (Email/News). 2) By using the Freedom network for reply blocks, and outgoing pseudonymous mail you have the benefit of avoiding traffic analysis which even Mixmaster/Type I remailers with chaining suffer from. The traffic shaping and network cloud allows for a much stronger resistance to traffic analysis and passive attacks. 3) By delivering reply block mail through the AnonymousIP infrastructure you remove certain legislative attacks, as described in the following example. Nym.Alias.Net reply block Server A <---------> Server B <----------> Server C <---------> Final Destination POP box (In this scenario, Server A knows the next hop Server B and Server B knows both A & C; Server C knows both final POP box and B) Zero-Knowledge reply block Server A ---------> Server B -----------> Server C ----------> Final Destination POP Box (In this scenario, Server B receives the message through the Freedom anonymous network cloud so it has no way of knowing the identity of Server A. Server B only knows Server C's location and requests an anonymous route to server C) In this scenario and legislative attack that attempts to use warrants to back track from Server C to Server A is impossible under the Zero-Knowledge system and possible under the Nym.Alias.Net system. The legislative attack of going from Nymserver to Server A to Server B to Server C is possible under both scenarios, but forward secrecy and automatic reply block reshuffling with Zero-Knowledge helps reduce the amount of time that this would have to occur within. (Also in both having reply blocks include nodes in multiple jurisdictions helps the security from this attack in both scenarios). The back end PKI that supports key's for nodes, and key lookups for nodes helps the frequency at which nodes can do key rotations without effecting the usefulness of the network which helps us implement forward secrecy. Ultimately reply blocks will be ditched and replaced with anonymous distributed database data storage which will further improve the security model for the Zero-Knowledge system. Just my 0.02 BTW - Just wait until Beta 3 :) -Austin _________________________________________________________________________ Austin Hill Zero-Knowledge Systems Inc. President Montreal, Quebec Phone: 514.286.2636 Ext. 226 Fax: 514.286.2755 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.zeroknowledge.com Are you fast enough? Are you smart enough? We are hiring those who are! http://www.zeroknowledge.com/jobs/ PGP Fingerprints 5.5.3i = 77 1E 62 21 B3 F0 EB C0 AA 6C 65 30 56 CA BA C4 94 26 EC 00 keys available at http://www.nai.com/products/security/public_keys/pub_key_default.asp _________________________________________________________________________ -----Original Message----- From: Privacy Admin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: July 22, 1999 12:13 PM To: Anton Stiglic Cc: Remailer Operators List Subject: Re: hush mail On Thu, 22 Jul 1999, Anton Stiglic wrote: > Zero-Knowledge Systems Inc has something much better, > but I'm biased because I work there! Actually Anton, ZKS pseudonym based mail system isn't much different than nym.alias.net. The best part about ZKS's is that is makes it transparent - allowing us to use your existing SMTP/POP3 email client. This is a huge improvement (UI-wise) over VB apps like PI or JBN, it doesn't provide stronger security. BTW Freedom Beta 2 is much better. -- Admin of Privacy Anonymous Remailer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> PGP key 0x0F44E501 <http://www.privacy.nb.ca/~woz/woz.asc>