Thanks for your insight Gordon! Will keep investigating to sort this out either way.
Rick Smoll, AIC Claims Adjuster Corpus Christi, TX Mobile - (512) 619-3860 Fax - (512) 592-7966 -----Original Message----- From: Gordon Wilkinson via CoTyroneList <[email protected]> To: Rick Smoll via CoTyroneList <[email protected]> Cc: Gordon Wilkinson <[email protected]> Sent: Sun, Jul 29, 2018 10:06 pm Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery) Rick, I am a descendant of the Morrows from Armagh and unlikely to include the Morrows you mention. In your search, I would posit a typo(s) along the line somewhere. Many people at that time were not literate so others wrote down what they thought they heard. Irish accents and regional nuances would add to the confusion and blur the pronunciation. I've come across some weird mis-spellings. Take for instance, McBirth for McBeth - which was actually McBeath! then Harrow for O'Hara, also McCullough/McUllough/McCulough/McCulagh/McCullagh for the same family, and several others. It makes authentication a little more difficult, but one should always cross-check in any case. Be careful in drawing conclusions, as families tended to cluster in the same area and even name their offspring after a nearby relative, so take care, even some birth dates may be speculative as 1 January was too often used in place of the real date. Baptism and Christening dates are generally reliable. Cheers, Gordon On 30/07/2018 2:31 AM, Rick Smoll via CoTyroneList wrote: Hoping for some opinions here: In the Kilskeery Parish 1826 Tithe Applotment listings, I find an Edward Morrison listed for Loughterush townland. Using the Atavus search engine (Edward Morrison, Loughterush), I first see a record of a birth of Edward Morrison to Edward and Isabella Morrison in 1795. This is exciting. Looking at the search results farther down the page, I find a series of births to an Edward Morrow and wife Isabella (in Loughterush), ranging from 1781 to 1789. Hmmm. Going back to the Kilskeery Tithe Applotment listings, there are three Morrows listed (no Edwards), and none of them are in Loughterush. I'm wondering: is it likely that there is a transcription error here? I would greatly appreciate any opinions here. Thanks! Rick Smoll -----Original Message----- From: Len Swindley via CoTyroneList <[email protected]> To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <[email protected]> Cc: Len Swindley <[email protected]>; Elwyn Soutter <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, Jul 24, 2018 5:55 am Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery) Many thanks for your insights, Elwyn Len Swindley Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: CoTyroneList <[email protected]> on behalf of elwyn soutter via CoTyroneList <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2018 8:32:58 PM To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List Cc: elwyn soutter Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery) Rick, In the early 1600s, the English & Scottish undertakers (ie big landholders) were required to “Have ready in their houses at all times a convenient store of arms, wherewith they may furnish a competent number of men for their defence, which may be viewed and mustered every half year, according to the manner of England.” We don’t really know to what extent each undertaker actually followed those instructions but where they did the local Muster Rolls could contain a list of every able bodied adult male in the given area. The complete absence of Morrisons in both Fermanagh & Tyrone (save for the 2 in Strabane) would suggest to me they hadn’t arrived in big numbers at that time. There’s 329 of them in the 1901 Fermanagh & Tyrone census. None in Fermanagh in 1630 and just 2 in Tyrone. There were a lot of undertakers estates in those 2 counties. If Morrisons were present in significant numbers then you would expect more to show in the Muster Rolls, even allowing for some estates that didn't keep records.. I agree with Les that we can’t say for certain, but my feeling is they hadn’t arrived in Kilskeery by 1630. Elwyn On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 11:14 AM, Len Swindley via CoTyroneList <[email protected]> wrote: Variations in spelling are of little consequence Rick as much was spelt phonetically in the past. The Scots arrived in the North of Ireland in several waves dependent upon political and religious conditions in Scotland. Many settlers returned to their homeland as a result of the 1641 Rebellion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Rebellion_of_1641 but returned once peace had been restored. Following the Relief of the Siege of Londonderry in 1689 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Derry and the defeat of the forces of James II great numbers of new settlers arrived. My thoughts are that it will not be possible to ascertain the date of your forebears arrival in Kilskeery parish Regards, Len Swindley Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Rick Smoll <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 11:19:46 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery) Thanks Len I checked Fermanagh … there was one Alex. Morison (note one s) in Barony de Magerbuy (with "sword and pike"). No way to tell at this point whether this is an ancestor of mine, though. Given all your experience, would you guess that my Morrisons came to Kilskeery at a much later date? Thanks again Rick Smoll -----Original Message----- From: Len Swindley <[email protected]> To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <[email protected]> Cc: rsmoll999 <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, Jul 21, 2018 6:43 pm Subject: RE: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery) There are only two Morrisons recorded in the Tyrone muster rolls, both mustered in the Town of Strabane: Robert MORISON (sic) David MORRISON Extracted from Men and Armes; The Ulster Settlers c1630 (Ulster Historical Foundation) Perhaps your Morrison forebears originally settled in Co. Fermanagh? Hope this clarifies things, Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: CoTyroneList <[email protected]> on behalf of rsmoll999 via CoTyroneList <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 4:39:09 AM To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List Cc: rsmoll999 Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery) Thanks for your response and information! Narrows it down some anyway. I guess i just need to keep searching for records of my Morrison ancestors there until i get all the way back to the 1600s ... only about 6 more to go! Thanks again! Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S7. -------- Original message -------- From: elwyn soutter via CoTyroneList <[email protected]> Date: 7/21/18 6:17 AM (GMT-06:00) To: "CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List" <[email protected]> Cc: elwyn soutter <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery) Rick, There aren’t any specific lists of people who settled in Ireland as part of the Plantation and other population movements in the 1600s. All we really know are the names of the big tenants (Undertakers) and where in Scotland they came from. But there are no lists of the tenants that accompanied them. However there are no Morrisons in the Kilskeery area in the 1630 Muster Rolls. That tends to suggest that your family may have arrived in the area post 1630, either direct from Scotland or perhaps having relocated from another part of Ulster, making it trickier to identify their origins. Elwyn On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 7:55 PM, Rick Smoll via CoTyroneList <[email protected]> wrote: Hello All, I was able to locate our ancestral farm in Loughterush (and actually visited it last year), which was in the family up until around 1970 when the last Morrison on it passed away. I have traced ancestors on the farm back to James Morrison (for whom I do not have a birth date, but was likely born around 1800). I have been assuming that our Morrisons originally came from Scotland, but do not know when. Can anyone point me to records that might give specific information regarding individuals who came to this specific townland (as part of the British planter/ colonization that occurred in the 16th-18th centuries)? Thanks! 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