Can we calm down? Vladimir, your note came out after I -2'ed Alex's proposal and we have made it clear that the proposal to "Remove" AGESA is just that -- a proposal. It's not going to happen.
Thanks ron On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 6:12 AM Vladimir <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >>> On 11/07/2015 10:18 AM, Alex Gagniuc wrote: > > > > Did you know that G505s is unsuitable for libreboot due to the many > > blobs it needs (VBIOS, SMU, IMC, make your pick) ? > > > > That is why Francis suggested adding it to coreboot LTS Candidates list, > not to Libreboot list - because, while Lenovo G505S seems to be a great > coreboot LTS Candidate , it is still not ready for Libreboot. Which is a > real pity, because there are no AMD laptops supported by Libreboot yet... > In any case, Lenovo G505S matches all the requirements for it to be > considered among the Coreboot LTS Candidates list : > > * RYF-certifiable - [V] check > * Sturdy - [V] check > * Long shelf life - [V] check > * Cool factor - [V] check > > Actually it was you who came up with these requirements : > > http://www.coreboot.org/User_talk:MrNuke/LTS_Candidates#Requirements: > > Sorry, but it is a really bad idea to treat LTS Candidate as a second > grade citizen > > > > > >>> On 11/07/2015 10:18 AM, Alex Gagniuc wrote: > > > >> * Did you know that Compal will still be making LA-A091P laptop > >> motherboard, the primary component of G505S, at least until the end of > >> 2018 year? > > > > And this is based on what? > > > > Lenovo is open to requests of motherboards (as well as requests for other > internal components) coming from repair workshops, for a specific Lenovo > laptop model - at least until the end of Service Lifetime of the last > manufactured Lenovo laptop of this specific model. Lenovo stopped making > G505S at the end of 2014 year, however they set a Service Lifetime of G505S > model as 4 calendar years, which means that our repair workshop can request > motherboards from Lenovo for this laptop model until the end of 2014 + 4 > years = end of 2018 year . Unless Lenovo would suddenly change their rules > or would break up their partnership agreement with Compal, Compal will > still be making motherboards for G505S until the end of 2018 year, based on > requests from Lenovo which in turn based on requests from repair workshops. > Although the minimal order quantity is 10pcs for us, we collaborate with > smart people who have technical knowledge and could swap motherboards by > themselves: we resell extra motherboards which we dont need for a small > additional profit (+ sale tax), so any physical person could get them even > at 1pcs quantities ;) > > Undoubtedly, Francis Rowe was 100% right while he was suggesting a Lenovo > G505S to be added to Coreboot LTS Candidates list. This wonderful machine > is still sold at many places and has a long life ahead > > > > > >>> On 11/07/2015 10:18 AM, Alex Gagniuc wrote: > > > > I wrote most of the code to get it running in the first place. > > > >> > >> * Did you know that Lenovo G505S is still widely available at some parts > >> of the world? (e.g. in Russia, 50+ online shops are still selling it) > >> > > > > Yeah, I wrote most of the code for that. > > > > Thank you very much, dear friend, I really respect you for that :) But > please keep in mind that coreboot is GNU GPL project, and you have > transferred your G505S code to public domain at the very date of upload. > Imagine, what if someone would suddenly decide to revert/branch off all his > significant contributions to a Linux kernel? People simply would not let it > happen! So I doubt that you can do anything you want with your important > commits to coreboot repository, be it a branch or anything else as > significant, without considering the opinion of other coreboot people > > > > > >>> On 11/07/2015 10:18 AM, Alex Gagniuc wrote: > > > > I also happen to run one of the build servers. Here's a deal, you pay > > for 60% of the running costs of the server (the amount of time agesa > > builds take out of total time), and I'll stop whining. You owe me $1300 > > for the year 2015, pal. > > > > First of all, it would be interesting to see a detailed report describing > a process of how you came up with such a round value ( $1300 ) . Secondly, > there are a lot of people who are using coreboot on AGESA hardware; and > also, my main concern here lies with just 1 board. It is not that fair for > you to ask $1300 from a single person , and because of my financial > struggles I could invest $200 at max. If you are seriously estimating these > running costs as $1300/year , you could set up a crowdfunding at Crowd > Supply - Richard Stallman considers it a preferred platform for > crowdfunding the open source software/hardware projects > > > > > >>> On 11/07/2015 10:18 AM, Alex Gagniuc wrote: > > > > Geesh! Why don't you take over full maintainership of AGESA before > > whining why people who worked on that code no longer want to support it? > > > > Actually I have expressed my desire to participate in AGESA -> Native Init > porting, but as I said before I can't do it all alone because I don't have > enough experience. If you could show some good examples of AGESA -> Native > Init porting, which could aid me in learning process, then we can do it > together. Or I can be a build tester and constantly test your builds on my > hardware (and maybe donate Money/Things to you to support your efforts) > > > > >>> On 11/07/2015 10:18 AM, Alex Gagniuc wrote: > > > >> > >> branch it off to some abandoned branch that nobody would care about. > > >> > > > > You would obviously care about it, so that's a moot point. > > > > <sarcasm_alert> We either keep everything in a "master" branch, or it's > dead. </sarcasm_alert> > > > > In my earlier messages I already told what sense I am putting behind these > words. Master branch will be receiving all the love: important bug fixes as > well as great new features, which would be a part of code thats common for > all the boards in a master branch. Meanwhile, nobody is going to constantly > track check and copy all these commits to this separate branch, which means > it would be abandoned. > > > > > >>> On 11/07/2015 10:18 AM, Alex Gagniuc wrote: > > > > I agreed to leave these discussions behind. I don't know why people > > _still_ keep bringing it up. > > > > As you said before, > > > > > Experience tells us that people are silent until their (broken) toys are > taken away, and only then start crying. > > > > I dont know what you have been expecting, but I am not going to be a part > of this experience. I am not going to stay silent and watch how my precious > toys are broken and are taken away. I am going to stand up for all the > coreboot users/developers who are using coreboot on their G505S machine > > > > > >>> On 11/07/2015 10:18 AM, Alex Gagniuc wrote: > > > >> > >> PLEASE do NOT submit proposals that will negatively affect a support for > >> alive boards, because > >> > > > > If you want to treat logical separation as removal, that's on you > > > > Your logical separation (regardless of how we call it) - it WILL > negatively affect a support for alive boards! I cannot stress it enough: > > > > > Master branch will be receiving all the love: important bug fixes as > well as great new features, which would be a part of code thats common for > all the boards in a master branch. Meanwhile, > nobody is going to > constantly track check and copy all these commits to this separate branch, > which means it would be abandoned. > > > > > > >>> On 11/07/2015 10:18 AM, Alex Gagniuc wrote: > > > >> > >> such malevolent plans are a great insult to a bright spirit of coreboot > ! > > >> > > > > I'm insulted by your portrayal of me as aforementioned > > > > Your recent proposals (in case if they would be accepted) will negatively > affect many boards, including the alive boards - such as G505S, a coreboot > LTS candidate. If you were expecting the praises of approval and kind words > for such intentions - well, I am sorry to bust your expectations > > Best regards, > Vladimir Shipovalov > > On 7 November 2015 at 12:18, Alex G. <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On 11/06/2015 02:11 AM, Vladimir wrote: >> > * Did you know that Lenovo G505S is still widely available at some parts >> > of the world? (e.g. in Russia, 50+ online shops are still selling it) >> >> Yeah, I wrote most of the code for that. >> >> > * Did you know that Francis Rowe, head Libreboot developer, has proposed >> > the addition of G505S to Coreboot LTS Candidates list of laptops? >> >> Did you know that G505s is unsuitable for libreboot due to the many >> blobs it needs (VBIOS, SMU, IMC, make your pick) ? >> >> > * Did you know that Compal will still be making LA-A091P laptop >> > motherboard, the primary component of G505S, at least until the end of >> > 2018 year? >> >> And this is based on what? >> >> > It is unbelievable that some people here want to take alive-and-kicking >> > motherboard and 'remove it' >> >> I wrote most of the code to get it running in the first place. >> >> > or degrade it into a 'second class citizen' - by branching >> >> Geesh! Why don't you take over full maintainership of AGESA before >> whining why people who worked on that code no longer want to support it? >> >> > it off to some abandoned branch that nobody would care about. >> >> You would obviously care about it, so that's a moot point. >> >> > Don't know which is worse... >> >> I agreed to leave these discussions behind. I don't know why people >> _still_ keep bringing it up. >> >> >>>> Someone wrote: >> >> That was me >> >> >> I'm looking forward to seeing the draft of the removal plans. Maybe >> >> removal is even better than branching >> >> <sarcasm_alert> >> Yes. Because everything is black and white. We either keep everything in >> a "master" branch, or it's dead. >> </sarcasm_alert> >> >> > If Someone doesn't care about those boards which he doesn't own own, if >> > Someone has no idea how to set up makefiles so that they will not make >> > builds for boards that he doesn't care about, if Someone can't wait a >> > few more extra minutes of compilation because he is in a 'great hurry': >> >> I also happen to run one of the build servers. Here's a deal, you pay >> for 60% of the running costs of the server (the amount of time agesa >> builds take out of total time), and I'll stop whining. You owe me $1300 >> for the year 2015, pal. >> >> > then he should start his 'Removal Quest' from old boards like Intel I945 >> > and AMD K8 - if nobody runs coreboot on them anymore. >> > Or from his own board, if his own board is EOL and old... >> >> WOW! Guess what. You didn't git log AGESA boards. Hint: I'm "removing" >> (your words, not mine) a lot of the code that I worked on. >> >> > PLEASE do NOT submit proposals that will negatively affect a support for >> > alive boards, because >> >> If you want to treat logical separation as removal, that's on you. I'd >> appreciate it if you stopped throwing baseless accusations around >> because you feel that makes your argument stronger. >> >> > such malevolent plans >> >> Sure, I'm the enemy. I'm certain Stefan will love this one! >> >> > are a great insult >> >> I'm insulted by your portrayal of me as aforementioned. I've invested a >> lot of my personal time and resources into coreboot, with nothing but >> good intentions. I don't feel you truly have a grasp of all the facts >> and headaches of doing coreboot on such a scale. So I'd really >> appreciate you taking a step back and trying to get an overview every >> once in a while. >> >> Alex >> >> -- >> coreboot mailing list: [email protected] >> http://www.coreboot.org/mailman/listinfo/coreboot >> > > -- > coreboot mailing list: [email protected] > http://www.coreboot.org/mailman/listinfo/coreboot
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