Dear Mirjam and Michael,
You would probably find some useful bits in a recent study of mine on
behalf of the European Parliament.
J. Scott Marcus (2020), “Promoting product longevity: How can the EU
product safety and compliance framework help promote product durability
and tackle planned obsolescence, foster the production of more
sustainable products, and achieve more transparent supply chains for
consumers?”, study for the IMCO Committee of the European Parliament.
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/STUD/2020/648767/IPOL_STU(2020)648767_EN.pdf
Cheers,
Scott
On 31/08/2020 18:34, Michael J. Oghia wrote:
Dear Michael,
Thank you very much for your kind words and for this
absolutely critical insight. You're right that the relatively short
lifecycle of many devices is indeed a primary driver of the issue.
These are such great examples as well. If it's not too much trouble
for you, would you be able to add this as a comment on the post itself
so that we can keep such good comments as yours centralised in one place?
I don't have much to add to your comments other than fully agreeing
with you and wondering if the RIPE community can work together to
lobby for changes – assuming that's something we're both able and
willing to do.
Best,
-Michael
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On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 10:21 PM Michael Richardson <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Thank you for this.
I think that one of the key things to reducing e-waste is to keep
devices in
productive use longer. The smartphone cycle is largely being
driven by
planned obsolescence through lack of software updates. While few
of us here
are in the smartphone business, we see the same thing with CPE
devices.
No software updates means poor security, which pushes for
replacement of the
devices.
More capable devices can sustain more updates, but cost more up-front,
and there still very little relationship between price paid and
number of
years of supported software updates. At least, I believe this
anecdotally.
It would be nice if we had survey data to prove or disprove this
belief.
Perhaps RIPE along with some of the entities you mentioned might
be able to
do a confidential survey of ISPs in order to summarize the results?
EN 303 645 and upcoming UK legislation requires that the support
time for
devices to be made clear at point of purchase. See
https://www.iotsecurityfoundation.org/keep-software-updated/ for many
references. (Yes, I'm the presenter for the webinar, the first of
which was
this morning)
While the nic.cz <http://nic.cz> Turris system is well supported,
and very capable, I'm not
any influence on big ISP purchasing.
What kind of software support lifespans are ISPs able to contract?
While many RIPE clueful people know about, deploy and contribute
to openwrt,
it does not seem to show up in a supported way in devices that I
see either
big or small ISPs deploying. The big ones don't seem to care.
The small
ones can't afford to take a risk.
Years ago, it was the common that an ISP would buy some 12-port
switching
device for it's core, and two years later (when it was too slow),
would
migrate it from the core to an access aggregator, and then two
years later,
it might find a few more years service as internal lab equipment,
or being
used for a multi-tenant CPE. I learnt this as a switch (chip)
designer.
Is this still a thing?
In my more recent (2014-era) hands-on ISP experience, this was no
longer a
thing, because the devices had all become far too specialized.
Maybe SDN is
changing this? Are there best practices in making purchase
decisions that
support this migration of equipment?
{I'm reminded of: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQjHJKNyoUE }
Michael J. Oghia <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> I'm happy to share an article that Mirjam and I just
published on RIPE Labs
> about sustainable procurement practices:
>
https://labs.ripe.net/Members/michael_oghia/you-ve-got-the-power-sustainable-procurement-and-the-ripe-community
> I wanted to post it here because I think it's relevant to
this group as
> operators, managers, and others. I'm keen to hear your
thoughts, and
> encourage you to leave comments on the article so we know
how to best take
> this forward (and also gauge interest).
> Have a good weekend,,
> -Michael
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> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: Mirjam Kuehne <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
> Date: Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 2:15 PM
> Dear colleagues,
> Buying equipment can have an impact on environmental
sustainability.
> Michael Oghia writes about issues surrounding sustainable
procurement
> and how the RIPE community has the potential to make a
difference:
>
https://labs.ripe.net/Members/michael_oghia/you-ve-got-the-power-sustainable-procurement-and-the-ripe-community
> Kind regards,
> Mirjam Kühne
> RIPE NCC
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