Hello Hideki, thanks for the sgf and all the information in text! And congratulations for winning the game on 19x19 ;-) How did the public in Japan comment on the outcomes?
Thanks also to Hiroshi for posting the results. Ingo. > Gesendet: Montag, 17. Februar 2014 um 02:05 Uhr > Von: "Hideki Kato" <[email protected]> > An: [email protected] > Betreff: Re: [Computer-go] What about the exhibition games? > > All game records of the 1st Denosen are attached (byoyomi was added > in the time fields). > > Hiroshi's notation of Japanese names may confuse readers. Emura and > Ozawa are the familiy names and Kikou is usually spelled Kiko, like > Tokyo (never written as Toukyou :-). > > All games used Japanese rules and 6.5 komi. The time setting > for 13x13 was 30 min and 30 seconds byoyomi. For 19x19, 60 and 60 > but Ozawa used less than half. > > Emura 7d (9d on Tygem; Japanese 7d is a special rank; almost a title for > top-level amateurs) is sooooo strong. Zen had no chances at all. Maybe > one or two (no-komi or 2-stones) handicap was necessary. His fuseki > was better than Zen's (well, Zen's fuseki is often said 1-dan-level :) > and the depth and correctness of the forecasting for the fight at the > bottom left corner in the second game clearely overtook Zen's. He > forecast the result (W would won the fight) at about move 23 (!) while > Zen noticed at move 34 and the winrate dropped to 30%. Please note > that this position is very complicated and the order of the moves is > very important. The game was over. Zen continued playing, trying > critical moves, but Emura replied in very cool. > > For the first game, Emura played so-called slow moves in the middle of > the game and Zen looked have a chance (indeed, the winrate got 60% once) > when Zen could play three big yose moves, but, at least I think, Zen had > no chance at all as well. > > The last game was very interesting as Zen preferred territory (!). > Zen has played all public games in center-oriented style. Even against > Takemiya 9d, very famous with his cosmic style, Zen got cener but, > this game, Zen got three corners. > > Ozawa played with Zen-style, say, fourth-line fuseki, katatsuki for > fourth-line stones, and o-moyo. He is the first strong amateur > played aginst Zen with Zen-style :). So the games was relatively > easier for Zen, I think. No complex positions to simulate and > evaluate. Counting large territory is hard (with bigger error) for > human but Zen. The winrate was monotonicly increased throughout the > game. Ozawa notice he was behind in the middle of the game when > Zen's winrate was about 60%. The last ko fight may look dengerous but > Zen counted it already. Zen's lookahead showed only A18 was the > effecive ko threat and Zen would ignore that and would win the game. > Ozawa didin't realize that losing the ko killed his stones when he > started the ko fight. Zen had clear advantages in the two L&D, at the > top left corner and right side. > > If he played with other styles, such as territory oriented, the game > might close. > > Hideki > > Hiroshi Yamashita: <2426080FDF8D409E90D6BB4401780AD0@i3540>: > >Hi, > > > >> I am very curious. How did the exhibition games of > >> Zen (on 13x13 and 19x19) run today? > >> Are there already sgf available? > > > >Zen lost 2 games in 13x13. And won a game in 19x19. > > > > Emura Kikou, 7d Ama - Zen 2-0 > > Ozawa Ichiro, - Zen 0-1 > > > >I don't have sgf files. > > > >Photo news, Ozawa lost to computer. > >http://news.mynavi.jp/news/2014/02/16/108/ > > > >Regards, > >Hiroshi Yamashita > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Computer-go mailing list > >[email protected] > >http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go > -- > Hideki Kato > <mailto:[email protected]>_______________________________________________ > Computer-go mailing list > [email protected] > http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go _______________________________________________ Computer-go mailing list [email protected] http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
